Regarding my earlier problem, sending mail(below) My mail wont send via an external mail server. I get blocked icmp packets from my firewall on port 25 from the server. I have tried to allow smtp outbund to this box as well as all remote computers, doesn't seem to work. I have also allowed every different type of icmp packet in and out with the previous config and no dice. It must be said that I am doing this via a 'packet filter' and yes I am allowing it, not denying it. Assuming this is the correct method (as I am new, I would GUESS it is) it either doesn't work for me or I am a complete spastic which is probably true in any case, :) Is this the correct way to do it. Could there be an other way. Im stuck Greg