RE: External Network Logic
- From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 08:35:22 -0600
Hi Amy,
Yes, like our public servants. You know, the ones we pay confiscatory
income taxes to based on their representative good judgement.
Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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MVP -- ISA Firewalls
**Who is John Galt?**
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amy Babinchak [mailto:amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:17 AM
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> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
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> But servers have no purpose other than to serve clients. In servitude
> they must remain regardless of how "clean" you think you've made them.
>
> Amy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:52 PM
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> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
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> Man- what one typo can mess up...
>
> I meant:
> I am NOT talking about the back-to-back DMZ with an Exchange FE
> Perimeter.
>
> I AM talking about a new machine that goes between the
> clients machines
> and
> the servers. That's all it does-- separates the filthy,
> nasty, cesspool
> of
> festering client scum from my beautiful, clean, and perfectly
> configured
>
> servers.
>
> t
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Babinchak" <amy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:07 PM
> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
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> How many hops does that make to the Internet for the Internal network
> PC's?
>
> Amy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:06 PM
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> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
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> OK- just so we're on the same page-- I'm not talking about my
> back-to-back
> DMZ config that does indeed have a DMZ Perimeter network on the BE ISA
> for
> my FE Exchange server. That's done.
>
> I'm not talking about a NEW box going into my internal network to
> physically
> separate client systems from server systems. That's the one I was
> talking
> about having 2 nics with no "External" resources.
> t
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:41 PM
> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
>
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> >
> > This isn't a back-to-back config. This is a single server going in
> > between my clients and my servers... There won't be a way to "NAT to
> the
> > Internet" in that config as the only defined rule will be a route
> > relationship from the Perimeter to the Internal.
> >
> > I understand the concept that "Internet" is is the default gateway,
> but in
> > this case, there can't be a "Nat" relationship anywhere.
> > t
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:25 PM
> > Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
> >
> >
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> >
> > No, the Internet is always there, unless you're talking about a
> > caponized ISA firewall (single NIC).
> >
> > The Internet is reached via the NIC with the default gateway defined
> on
> > it, which in a back to back config would be the internal
> interface of
> > the FE ISA firewall.
> >
> > There is one point of confusion induced by the UI -- and that's the
> > ability to create an "external Network". There is no
> difference from
> > the firewall's point of view between a perimeter Network and an
> external
> > Network. So, you can create another external Network if you
> like, but
> > its *exactly the same* as a perimeter network from ISA's
> multinetworking
> > point of view. The default External Network is always there (except
> for
> > the unihomed ISA firewall).
> >
> > For example, if a client on the default Internal Network
> connects to a
> > host on the perimeter network between the ISA firewalls, the
> connections
> > are routed and the source IP address is not replaced. If a
> host on the
> > default internal Network connects to an IP addresses that is part of
> the
> > default External Network (which is the Internet) the connection will
> be
> > NATed.
> >
> > The ISA firewall's ability to enable control over your route
> > relationships really does give you a lot of flexibility.
> >
> > Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
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> > Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> > MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:39 PM
> >> To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> >> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
> >>
> >> http://www.ISAserver.org
> >>
> >> One thing though, just so I understand-- How would I NAT to
> >> the Internet?
> >> There *is no* "Internet" per se in a 2 NIC config with both
> >> defined as ISA
> >> Firewall Networks, right? There would be route
> relationship from the
> >> Internal to the DMZ Perimeter. The Internet would only exist if an
> >> Interface was added and not defined elsewhere, correct?
> >> t
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Thomas W Shinder" <tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:01 PM
> >> Subject: [isalist] RE: External Network Logic
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.ISAserver.org
> >>
> >> The default External Network is defined as all addresses that
> >> defined by
> >> any other ISA firewall Network. So, there is still an
> >> external network,
> >> you just don't have any access to it, since you've created
> >> ISA firewall
> >> Networks for both the NIC (one for the default Internal
> >> Network and one
> >> for the ISA firewall Network representing the perimeter
> network NIC).
> >>
> >> You can use this in a number of scenarios, like turning the
> >> DMZ between
> >> the BE and FE ISA firewall into an ISA firewall Network
> and creating
> a
> >> route Network Rule between that and the default Internal
> Network, but
> >> still NAT'ing to the Internet. Pretty slick, eh?
> >>
> >> Thomas W Shinder, M.D.
> >> Site: www.isaserver.org
> >> Blog: http://spaces.msn.com/members/drisa/
> >> Book: http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7
> >> MVP -- ISA Firewalls
> >> **Who is John Galt?**
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:57 PM
> >> > To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List]
> >> > Subject: [isalist] External Network Logic
> >> >
> >> > http://www.ISAserver.org
> >> >
> >> > So, you've got ISA with 2 NIC's. You define the Internal
> >> > range on one NIC,
> >> > leaving the other NIC as "External." You then add a
> >> > perimeter network, and
> >> > give it the IP range of what used to be the "External" NIC.
> >> > What happens to
> >> > the concept of the External network since you now have a
> >> > trusted Internal
> >> > network and a less trusted "Perimeter" network, but no real
> >> > "External"
> >> > network anymore. Will it just be an "empty" network set
> >> > sitting there all
> >> > alone in the cold, cold ground?
> >> >
> >> > t
> >> >
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