I'm going to head to me mams for xmas, but when I get back I'm going to do some stuff with the (igda) website. I hope I'll be able to browse the SDK at a friends machine shortly after. Get a feel for the APIs, add pointy mines. :D How can they miss pointy mines!? Can you take the lowercase igda bit out of the headers (or give me (mlk@ not xteme) admin, and I'll do it). Mike