[ian-reeds-games] Re: question about toggle team
- From: Zak Claassen <zak.claassen@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:27:54 +0200
I'll probably have some time to play it this afternoon, or else
tomorrow night. So if you're not going to make any major changes by
then you can post the link, would like to play with the new units.
On 10/17/13, Allan Thompson <allan1.thompson@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Craig,
> You mean there is a team argument for the toggle team script? I saw one for
> changing units but I didn't think it would work on the toggle thing.
>
> As for the change between just team 1 and 2 , I think "switch" or team
> switch" etc would work perhaps? It would just switch between team 1 and 2
> and vice versa so I guess anything would work. Flip, switch,transfer,double
> trouble, two sided team shuffle, razzle dazzle, double agent, etc and so
> forth, grin.
>
> Yeah, it could be more version 10 I think, since it seemed not to be
> serious
> until the conversion happened.
>
> Thanks for taking a look at this! I appreciate it. I hope this isn't too
> much of a bother on your time.
>
> al
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ian-reeds-games-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ian-reeds-games-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Craig Brett
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 6:32 PM
> To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ian-reeds-games] Re: question about toggle team
>
> Hi Allan,
>
> There is a team argument already, but it sounds like you found that. As for
> the second argument, well, I could possibly put that in. But I'm not sure
> how you'd want it to work. Would you just want it to be a team 1 to team 2
> switch and vice versa? If I'm going to implement it as a flag (which it
> will
> be), what would you want it to be called?
>
> Yeah, looking at that exchange there there sounds like a few bugs. I don't
> know if it's anything I should have changed or whether the changes to v10
> upset things that are already in there.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Craig
>
> On 15/10/2013 23:08, Allan Thompson wrote:
>> Oh yeah, I forgot about that! Lol.
>>
>> I did the third team thing with the slave monsters owned by the drow.
>> It works pretty wwell, and if the player chooses wisely, they can beat
>> their monsters, and still get some use out of them if you place them
>> closer to the opposeing team.
>> On average one can beat a kobold or bugbear unit about 2 thru 4 times
>> to get an extra action and movement out of them. Once they gt beyond
>> the mutiny threashold, they are actually more dangerous and they move
>> and act like a free unit would. I like this new element to the drow
>> faction, it makes them a bit more unique.
>>
>> I can put up a link later if you or anyone wanted to play around with
> that.
>> al
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ian-reeds-games-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ian-reeds-games-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Zak
>> Claassen
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 5:29 PM
>> To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [ian-reeds-games] Re: question about toggle team
>>
>> Yeah it used to be so rare, in the old warlords there would
>> occasionally be problems with the upgrading units, mostly if two units
>> were on the same tile. If I had a light infantry and light cavalry
>> together and on AI controlled and the infantry would upgrade I could
>> for example find the next turn that there is a light infantry, and an
>> elete light infantry called horse 1. Or I would even have an elete
>> archer and a catapult, and when the catapult upgraded by itself under
>> AI control I would get a catapult and an elete catapult called
>> bowman1. It was always like the upgrading unit tried to change
>> anything else into the upgraded version even though when you do it
>> that's impossible to do. My favorite case was on Allies and Axis, when
>> I built a watch tower ontop of the minataur building and set it to AI,
> after a while I just had a watch tower and fortified watchtower on that
> tile.
>> Fortunately by then I had recruited a bunch of their units, but that
>> still sucked.
>> But I found this is pretty reproduceable with the warden, just place
>> the enemy warden on the same tile as any other enemy unit/structure,
>> like an inn for example, surround it with your units, and let the
>> warden go invisible and visible a few times; it'll turn the inn into
>> whatever it's trying to change into eventually. Just duplicating
>> itself with no other units around was much more rare, but it does happen.
>>
>> On 10/15/13, Allan Thompson <allan1.thompson@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I believe you. I never saw it myself when the computer controlled the
>>> warden, but I am sure it happened down the line. In fact, another map
>>> pack maker Jarek was saying this problem existed, but at the time,
>>> it was so rare on what I played that it seemed just a fluke and not the
> norm.
>>> Now I understand where he was coming from a lot better.
>>>
>>> al
>>>
>>>
>>> From: ian-reeds-games-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:ian-reeds-games-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Zak
>>> Claassen
>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 11:24 PM
>>> To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [ian-reeds-games] Re: question about toggle team
>>>
>>> I've seen the warden duplicate itself when it is controlled by the
>>> enemy, put an enemy warden on your test map and let it go visible and
>>> invisible a few times, I've found it'll duplicate eventually. I think
>>> it might be a bug in the transform script. Hopefully when Ian returns
>>> and helps Craig finish his script flags this problem will be fixed.
>>>
>>> On 10/15/13, Allan Thompson <allan1.thompson@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Hi Zak,
>>>> I am actually trying that, although currently not with another team.
>>>> I just wanted to see it in action before committing.
>>>> My problem right now is that when the points dictating whent eh
>>>> unit "rebels" reaches zero, the unit does change, but also duplicates.
>>>> This is very strange behavior, since this does not work like this
>>>> for the structures that a player can place which get converted to
>>>> their evil version.
>>>>
>>>> The warden is also not affected, as is a second unit called a wraith
>>>> and fades in and out of the ethereal polain.
>>>> Yet, on a second attempt with a unit to copy the warden, I
>>>> practically left the unit (which was the rogue) and it did the same
>>>> thing, while the warden still remained not a problem.
>>>>
>>>> Somewhere there is just one thing that seems to make the difference
>>>> but for the life of me I can't figure it out.
>>>>
>>>> al
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ian-reeds-games-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:ian-reeds-games-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Zak
>>>> Claassen
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 6:57 PM
>>>> To: ian-reeds-games@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [ian-reeds-games] Re: question about toggle team
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you could use the transform script to change it into a fourth
>>>> team which is enemies with both teams 1 and 2. That way it would
>>>> attack the enemy without becoming one of your units.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/14/13, Allan Thompson <allan1.thompson@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Craig,
>>>>> Maybe you explained this already, but I can't remember. So if I
>>>>> already asked I apologize.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was just wondering if some argument could be added to toggle
>>>>> team and toggle team effect that might change it a little.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking about how you got the team argument for the change
>>>>> unit that transforms after death.
>>>>> I guess my question is , is it possible to make an argument, or
>>>>> actually two arguments, if possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess one would be like the team argument, where you can just
>>>>> number the team you want. The second one is an argument for self
>>>>> effects. For games with only two teams, player and computer, could
>>>>> there be some kind of argument that takes the self casters team
>>>>> into account and just switches sides? It wouldn't work for maps
>>>>> with more then the initial 3 teams, but it would be very useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance, I am working on a drow faction that has some slave
>>>>> combat units.
>>>>> It has a "threaten" skill which beats the units into doing more,
>>>>> but it randomly costs points that affect the "mood" of the unit.
>>>>> Once it reaches that threashold, the hope was that the unit would
>>>>> "switch"
>>>>> sides and start attacking the previous owner of the unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> The big problem is that I can't pick a team for the unit to toggle
>>>>> into or even change into since the factions are designed to be
>>>>> playable by both players or the computer, or even the same drow
>>>>> against each other player versus computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> So some kind of simple switch would be awesome.
>>>>> I hope all that made some kind of sense. I am not good at
>>>>> describeing this stuff. Also, I just can't remember if you said
>>>>> this kind of thing was possible or not. I know with the version 10
>>>>> of the files is causeing some issues apparently as well with
>>>>> scripts so I am not sure where to go from this point on the matter.
>>>>> Thanks for reading at least!
>>>>> al
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>>>>> Jesus Christ of Nazareth 33AD
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