Hi all. Even though I'm not an active developer (with the exception of 3dmov and a handful of patches, I'm ashamed that I didn't do more), I'm just throwing an observation into the community before disappearing under my rock again. Over on the development mailing list there is talk about the damages caused by an update of libcurl, and how a point release broke so many apps. This is the sort of thing we used to mock Linux with - the never ending dependancy "whack-a-mole" game. During the great package management debate of 2011, so many users (not developers) were very vocally against package management, for the very same reason libcurl demonstrated. The only time package management works is when the packages are strictly controlled by the core developers. Any other package / library which is not a core component, doesn't belong on a Haiku distribution. If Haiku adopts this policy (core component), they we have to rethink why we even need a package management system? Core components ship with the base install of an OS, it's not optional. Effectively, Haiku doesn't need a "officially supported" package management system. What it does need is an update of core components mechanism. Anyhow, great work creating Haiku. And if my business/work/family give me a couple of free hours of month, I'll see if I can create 3dmix to go along with 3dmov. Cheers. Zenja