I pulled down the source for People from the ftp site and walked through it a little, added a bunch of comments, and tweaked it a bit to get it to compile under R5. I've found that, for me, really well documented code with a decent reference to fall back on is probably the best way to learn. So, if you've moved past "Hello World", but aren't quite sure yet how all of the kits and classes fit together, and would want to take a look at what I've done, send me a reply off-list and I'll send it to you. It should also be in CVS as soon as I can get SF to cooperate with me. Nick a religion requiring three dashes and a disclaimer _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com