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20 Responses to ?AN OPEN LETTER TO ATOS HEALTHCARE?
John Smith says:
28 January, 2012 at 17:17 pm
I am appalled by what I have read here. Right winger Ian Duncan Smith is
beginning to make Mrs Thatcher look like Mother Teresa. Rapid repeated peaceful
wheelchair locking demonstrations in Chingford and Woodford Green constituency
and at vulnerable traffic intersections and public buildings across the country
etc etc would draw attention to the inhumanity of this policy of bashing the
the severe disabled.
John Smith
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Aelwen says:
27 January, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I despair on reading these comments; all of you are in so much worse position
than myself. I am at the start of my battle with the authorities, having had my
DLA cut off this week, despite the fact my health is worse than it was at my
last review. I demanded a new review and am still waiting for acknowledgement a
week later.
I have been disabled by Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and spinal
Osteoarthritis for ten years already and my chances of recovery are nil. I?m
completely isolated, black listed by the NHS for making repeated complaints of
incompetence and negligence, leaving me with absolutely no Health Care, not
even for something as simple as flu. Completely housebound due to the effects
of PTSD and limited mobility (I live in a hovel with no lift and four flights
of stairs to negotiate btw), it?s impossible for me to go out to work. The
opportunities for me to work from home are also prohibitive, being old,
unskilled and unable to afford courses, quite apart from whether my health
would affect work routines.
I?m an adult survivor of child abuse, not just at home but from society in
general. I?ve endured inordinately extreme levels of abuse all my life and it
continues to this day. The DWP have crushed me completely with their decision
and I face the battle knowing there is no chance of success and that I?m too
ill to endure the stress.
Having said this, I am daily signing petitions, emailing politicians and
generally scouring for help and information sites I can pass on to other
people. I will fight the government on this issue no matter how ill I get,
because we are the invisible not the inconsequential.
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Russell says:
26 January, 2012 at 15:45 pm
Hi, here?s a story about Atos and DWP. I swear every word is true, Its quite
long but quite unbelievable.
Approx 10 years ago I was diagnosed with bladder cancer, after the usual chemo
etc it was found that it just kept coming back, the end result was a very
painful operation every three month to remove tumors from my bladder for the
first 6 years I worked while going through this. The only time i didn?t was
when I had a couple of heart attacks and they could not do the bladder
operation. Anyway, my bladder shrank and it was causing me so much pain every
three month that I was no longer able to work. i asked JC+ and they suggested
ESA, so did all that then got a letter asking me to attend Atos interview,
unfortunately, the time and date was close to my next bladder Operation so I
rang them and explained I didn?t think I would be well enough to attend, the
reply,?Attend or your benefits will most likely be stopped?.
So feeling really unwell and bleeding internally and with excruciating pain I
attended and informed the so called Health professional of all my problems
including the fact that within 6 week I was due to have a eight hour operation
to have my bladder, prostate and appendix removed and the suggested recovery
time would be 8 to 12 month.
The assessment took approx 15mins, they later claimed It was 1 and 3/4
hours.This is where the story gets interesting. The same day as the medical I
had a heart attack and was rushed to hospital where they filled me full of
blood thinning drugs and discharged me seven days later, five hours later after
suffering incredible pain that I wouldn?t have thought any human could stand I
was rushed back into hospital near death due to massive internal bleeding in my
bladder because of the drugs I had been given. Atos Knew what I was going
through at the time of my interview, they knew about the fact I had heart
disease as well as upcoming major surgery. After receiving two life saving
blood transfusions and a two week stay in hospital I returned home to find my
benefits had been stopped. I contacted DWP and explained what had happened only
to be told it didn?t matter I had been found fit for work and scored NO POINTS,
so must attend the jobcentre but I could appeal, so I did and was given a date
for the appeal. The appeal date clashed with my operation date to remove my
bladder etc, so I asked for it to be postponed and was asked if I could attend
6 weeks later I explained I didn?t even know if I would be alive 6 weeks later
and was told that I would have to deal with that when the appointment came
through (honestly).
Had the op, got through it discharged after weeks in hospital only to be rushed
back in with blood clot on my lung, all the while keeping DWP informed. Back
out of hospital month later two mini stokes back in again.
As i got slightly stronger, (by the way original assessment was Feb) I got a
date for appeal on November Ist, couldn?t wait I was going to tear someone a
new one, by this time I had got Macmillan cancer involved, (god bless their
cotton socks and all who sail in them) and they were going to represent me.
Unfortunately for me I had read the date wrong I thought it was the 11th Nov.
Result, appeal denied, my fault I know but how could any appeal panel looking
through my medical files have come to the conclusion that I was fit for work?
Appeal against the appeal: I dare say everybody reading this is bored to tears
by now so here is the shortened version:
1 I was sent someone else?s medical file giving a complete history of the
health issues they were fighting, mine went to them.
2 Appeal against the appeal denied.
3 Made appointment to see my local MP Stewart Housie (god bless his cotton
socks etc) His exact words to me after reviewing things. ? Russell, I will have
the head of DWP for this area in my office in the next week?. And he did.
4 Miraculously, new appeal agreed,
5 Won appeal, do I feel good? Not at all, I can not explain the torment and
anguish the DWP and Atos put me and my wife through.
6 Just got new assessment book to fill in from Atos, here we go again.
A final thought, are Atos and the DWP at fault? Yes, but not as much as the
government behind it. Don?t give
up and don?t stop fighting I won?t.
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Joe Kaliszczak says:
26 January, 2012 at 22:44 pm
Hi Russell.
Fortunately, your MP is SNP, and not a member of the coalition. When I wrote to
my local Tory MP, David Nuttall, re my first ATOS assassination, I got a
response more than 3 months after the appointment, and the reply said he
couldn?t get involved with anything to do with health or benefits!! Joe, Bury,
Lancashire. M.E. Sufferer.
But, good on your MP for getting matters sorted, in what is an outrageous and
dispacable example of ATOS.
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Lesley Kemp says:
19 January, 2012 at 00:03 am
I just wish there would be an honest, respectable MP who would just say what we
all know. That the UK is bled dry by tax evaders, not vulnerable disabled
benefit recipients, desperate for a little bit of bread and water. Cruel this
Government is, and shameful to the core for demonizing them, when they can?t
fight back. Tory vote? Liberal vote? Never, never, never again.
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rinehard kaler says:
5 January, 2012 at 19:33 pm
dear sirs i am disabled in a wheel chair for last 20 years. ,atos said its my
fault and i am fit to work, my money has been cut i dont know what to do, no
money .atos health care are the worst ive ever met,
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stephen hobbs says:
12 January, 2012 at 21:30 pm
Press criminal charges, simply write a letter quoting that you wish to press
charges of misrepresentation (or possibly use theft by defraud) or racism, or
whatever you have at your disposal against the ATOS healthcare investigation?
if you have the name of the doctor that carried out the interview? you could
press criminal charges against him personally for misrepresentation. That?s
free, because its then a criminal matter, not a civil liability case.
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Steven Smith says:
19 January, 2012 at 11:03 am
Hi, Can that really be done and if yes why hasnt anybody done it yet
cheers
steve
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DPAC in 2011: wishing everybody a better year in 2012 » DPAC says:
31 December, 2011 at 14:57 pm
[...] AN OPEN LETTER TO ATOS HEALTHCARE [...]
Keith Tilbury says:
1 December, 2011 at 14:32 pm
I have recently failed an Atos DWP Medical and have been declared fit to work
I have had four Heart Attacks
I have had a quad bypass operation
I have had two mini strokes and a full blown stroke affecting my vision (I can
still drive just) having been assessed.
I have had a gross abdominal hernia repaired surgically.It causes a deal of
discomfort.
I have been shot by a Police Firearms Instructor resulting in a 13 Day coma ,
the loss of a rib and 12-14 inches of large and small bowel, the removal of the
top third of a kidney and a large hole in my Liver.I have large entry and exit
wound scars which are painful.
I have had over 30 hours of CBT and Psychiatric care and assessment.
Never Mind Atos say I?m fit for work so that?s all right then.
k
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Jane James says:
29 November, 2011 at 10:06 am
I spoke to a lady last week who had worked all of her adult life. Now in her
late 50s, she has just had a hip replacement. On the day of her operation she
got the letter saying ATOS had assessed her as fit to work. She told me she
cried throughout her stay in hospital as she was so worried that she?d have no
money. Of course she couldn?t be expected to sign on as ?available for work? as
soon as she got home! She is also waiting for the other hip to be replaced and
for a knee operation.
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Mr M Wales says:
16 November, 2011 at 00:18 am
W O W ! I am glad to have found you all ! and all what you say I fully agree
with!
I have recently attended my 4th Medical Assessment August 2011, the 2nd I think
with Atos Health ? C A R E ? ???,
with continued problems with Anxiety and Depression (mental health) and on this
occasion added Physical Disabilities , taking along even more medications etc ,
and on this occasion I failed by a few points !
Upon receipt of my letter informing me of such. I contacted the number on the
letter from JobcentrePlus the 1st so called adviser could not help me, the 2nd
was very much a ?Bully? she treated me like I was dog muck on the bottom of her
shoe! I wanted answers and she could not even help me with despite saying she
actually dealt with E S A. Eventually I was contacted back and I demanded a
copy of the Medical Examiner , ATOS doctors report because I with common sense
and wisdom (despite my disability) knew there was something wrong. I have that
copy of the report and guess what the report is inaccurate so thereby no means
fair , Right of course Right ! . I fully agree ?it IS mechanistic? and my own
personal report DID NOT reflect circumstances or discussions that actualy Did
take place, I have suffered Anxiety and Depression (Diagnosed with Clinical
depression), now in almost 20 years how could one Atos Health ? C A R E ? ?
doctor conclude after a 30 minute assessment give a prognosis return to work
within 3 months ?, as for the ESA qustionnaire I completed (with assistance)
and returned I dont believe that was even looked at at all until it reaches the
Doctor at said assessment who may peruse through it 5 minutes before you are
called into examination room !,
How can any of these so called H C P s ( Health Care Professionals) make a true
solid assessment of any claimant, they sit behind a desk 95% of the time asking
questions and inputting data into a computer and they do it exactly as they see
fit on the day , and as for eye contact ?Adequet? they hardly look at you !
The Questiions in the Qustionnaire are ambiguos , The Desriptors for awarding
points even more so. I had recognised disabilities appropriate to the
descriptors that I and a few other suitably educated people could clearly see
but my position didn?t seem to fit in appropriately , ( because they way they
word it) so thereby putting claimants at a disadvantage ! The way the doctor
words their report influences/ directs the Decision Maker at DWP JobcentrePlus
on how to score each activity in the Mental and Physical Functionality !. The D
M inputs that into their computer and all it may generate is ?Computer Says No?
you are right to state it is Mechanistic . It is apparent Anxiety & Depression
is no longer in the vocabulary of DWP and/ or Atoshealth?CARE? (care thats a
Joke surely) however Cognitive Impairment or Mental dissorder is now the ?IN?
terminology ! I have appealed to DWP I am reliably informed by a nicer adviser
that my benefit is re-instated back to the day it ceased and will remain
payable until the matter is resolved !, I will take this appeal to the
?Tribulnal? and highest point of appeal if I have to because I know I have been
unfairly awarded points due to the imcompetence of the Atos Doctor ! ( the
reception clerk had a fairly abrupt manner too I add here)The E S A and its
Questionnaire is, ?NONSENSE ABSOLUTE?, it is not fit for purpose ! and if there
is anyone in Government with plain simple common sense and credible wisdom
should have it scapped immediately along with Atoshealth ?CARE??. Each and
everyone of us who have experienced problems with ESA JobcentrePlus or Atos
should raise their concerns with their Local MP , I have !, If you think you
have been awarded unfairly Appeal Appeal Appeal take it to the top , I am
pleased I have found this website count me in as a supporter not only for
myself but for any and/or all others with such Problems , make sure you have
everything on paper black and white evidence is best , telephone calls are a
waste of time and money I will report here the progress and or outcome of my
Appeal or appeals etc,
My Very Best Wishes to you all ! Mr M Wales.
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anon says:
6 October, 2011 at 18:58 pm
Forgot to mention. ATOS are now forcing me to go through it again. I already
know the outcome (FAIL!!!). I will have my ESA cut off, have to appeal, have my
ESA amount reduced, have to go to a tribunal. I know this because I had to go
through it recently. I suffered great finantual hardship, stress (IE my
depression was worse because of it) and all this takes about a year to sort
out. By that time I had to start all over again with them. I filled out there
questionare and backed it up with a letter from my GP and mental health team.
They simply ignored it. I even had to ask the CAB to help with the questionare.
When I tried to speak to ATOL they abused me on the phone and simply hung up
with the message ?ATTEND OR YOUR ESA WILL BE CUT OFF !!!?. I agree fraud claims
should be dealt with but ATOL assume ALL claims are fraud. I have tried to end
my life once already. Are they really going to push me over the edge?
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anon says:
6 October, 2011 at 18:49 pm
ATOS are clearly corrupt and have a (one assesment for all) policy. The last
time I was forced to see them I was suffering from depression due to my family
splitting up. This had a hard affect on myself. I tried to explain this to a so
called Dr that could hardly speak English. He was not interested at all. He
only asked me to lift my arms, legs, took my weight and height. I scored zero
points and had my ESA cut off. SHORTLY AFTER I CUT MY WRIST !!!!
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terence moran says:
4 October, 2011 at 11:05 am
I recently had a so called medical performed at atos warrihgton. I was told
that it was to be a medical but it turned out to be just a phisical exam. None
of my medical conditions where observed. I found this not to be a true
examination.
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Mark Gilbert says:
29 September, 2011 at 20:42 pm
A##s must be one of the worst contractors to a governental department ever. I
have now recieved a large number of compliants about their efficiency and
effectiveness and their arrogance in reacting to comments about them fully
reflects their organisational approach.
The letter is brilliant and hopefully will form a concerted focus for futher
action.
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Douglas says:
12 September, 2011 at 23:15 pm
Brilliant letter! I assume a copy of this is being sent to the DWP themselves
as well?
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