[guide.chat] i've been a naughty girl for all and kevin jim and senn
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- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:17:31 +0100
"I've been a naughty girl" - Doctor Who companion Katy Manning interviewed
I?m sitting in the Wolseley, a smart café in Piccadilly, when there?s a ripple
in the fabric of space and time. A small blonde lady in a black shaggy coat, an
explosion of Biba fashion, designer bags and brolly, materialises in reception,
looking somewhat bewildered. She's unmistakeably Katy Manning.
?I couldn?t remember who I was meeting, darling!? she chuckles, as I lead her
to our table. She clings to my arm as though she?s back traversing a perilous
quarry in Doctor Who. Katy is a very hands-on gal, instinctively touchy-feely,
partly because she loves to connect physically, but also because she?s been
myopic since birth and has no peripheral vision.
?Most people don?t quite get it with me. I live in my own little world where
everybody is beautiful. I?ll say, ?Stop the car! What are those white flowers??
And my friend says, ?That?s a plastic bag, Katy.? I?m watering a palm tree in
the street and someone will say, ?I don?t think that telegraph pole will get
any bigger.? Once I tried to take the wrong children home from school!?
She suffered numerous stumbles and torn ligaments playing Jo Grant alongside
Jon Pertwee?s Doctor in the 1970s ? and ?I lose things all the time. I once
left my mother?s ashes at a bus stop!? Today, it?s just a glove and make-up bag
she momentarily mislays. She has to read menus, letters, scripts inches from
her nose.
Computers are a no-no. ?I have to get so close to the screen. How can I put
this delicately? Have you ever tried typing under your boobs?? Katy is,
however, is a dab-hand on her iPhone (kept in a chic Biba sleeve) and is a
fiend for Twitter (@ManningOfficial) ? it keeps her in nose-level contact with
chums and fans.
We hit it off immediately. We?re both wearing black and shades of purple.
?That?s a little frightening.? She mimes a telephone: ?It?s like, hello, what
are you wearing today?? We?re also dog lovers and our pooches have the same
name. ?I?ll show you my Archie if you show me yours,? she says as we ferret for
our mobiles.
No disrespect to Elisabeth Sladen or Billie Piper, but for me Katy - or rather
Jo Grant - has always been the ultimate Doctor Who companion. She had it all:
innocence and gumption, courage but a terrific scream, an irresistible bubbly
mixture of tomboy and sexpot. ?Jo was very endearing,? says Katy, putting her
finger right on it. ?Gutsy, fiercely loyal. I liked the fact she offered her
life constantly for the Doctor?s because she realised his work was so
important.?
Katy/Jo instantly won viewers? hearts. ?The little kiddies really got me. Older
men found it quite pleasant to look at me. The mothers and girls didn?t feel
threatened and loved Jo?s trendy clothes and rings.? She became the series?
first long-running female star with three years (77 episodes) under her belt.
Many former Doctor Who stars have published autobiographies. Katy never has and
never will. ?I am asked all the time. Daily! I?m exaggerating, but I?m a very
private person. I?ve been secretive since childhood. It would be so goddamn
boring tracking back over my life, which ain?t over yet. There are too many
people involved I don?t really need to talk about. And I?ve been a naughty
girl. Naughty girls don?t write books!? A throaty cackle. How naughty, Katy? ?I
think I?ve been about as naughty as you can get.? She gives one of those
faraway but saucy, you-name-it/I?ve-done-it grins.
She fills a café Americano with sugar. It?s one of her few remaining vices. She
doesn?t touch alcohol. ?I spent many years finding out that I can?t drink very
well. I get very creative and I?m too old to be that creative now. People often
think I?m pissed and I?m not. They say, ?You were so off your t*ts last night.?
But my daughter says, ?That means Mummy?s had four coffees.??
She?s given up smoking (?I?ve been on and off all my life?) and insists it?s
had nothing to do with her distinctive husky voice: she?s always had one and
her son does too. It?s genetic. Today she fishes fake cigarettes from her
handbag. One has a glowing red tip, the other blue. At one point she has both
going, just for a laugh. ?No-nicotine, coffee- or toffee-flavoured. Heaven on a
stick! I like the action of holding a cigarette. I?m a Bette Davis.? She
gesticulates in velveteen gloves with a couple of gigantic rings on top.
She orders eggs Benedict. ?I?m a cheap date, darling,? she laughs. ?I eat
little and often. I graze.? When the plate arrives, she moves the ham to one
side. She may be a vegetarian but she?s not averse to having a lump of meat
thrust under her nose. ?I don?t like masticating! I?m not a veggie for hippy
reasons ? there are just so many things I could be doing with my life than
chewing right now.?
And what a life! But don?t get her started on internet biogs. ?I?ve never been
in half the things they say. Everything?s wrong,? she splutters. ?No, my name
is not Katy Louisa Manning. No, that is not the date of my birth. It?s not even
the right goddamn day!? Her birth year is commonly reported as 1946, and I?m
too gentlemanly to press for her actual or preferred one. ?And no, I?ve never
been married to Rayner Bourton [the original Rocky in The Rocky Horror Show].
I?ve never been married.?
Her full name is Catherine Katy Ann Manning. Actor Dean Harris is the father of
her twins Georgie and JJ (Johnathan), born 33 years ago almost two months
prematurely. ?One weighed one pound four, the other one pound eight. They were
taken from me and kept in incubators at Queen Charlotte?s Hospital, tubes
shoved up their noses. I didn?t know what I?d got in there. I could have given
birth to hamsters. There was no bonding then, I can tell you. I?m a very honest
woman. I got post-natal depression when they were two years old.?
Her babies were frail and constantly ill, even developing whooping cough. Katy
was advised to move to warmer climes. She knew one person in Sydney. ?I packed
two suitcases and arrived on the other side of the world, thinking, ?What the
hell am I doing?? I was a single parent and we had to survive.?
She built up a career in Australia, theatre and voiceover work, eventually
winning her own chat show. She brought up the twins on Manly Beach and fell in
love with Barry Crocker, a big star Down Under. ?We?ve been together 26 years
although we don?t live together now. When you get older, you get to a point in
your relationship that way outweighs all that needy s**t. I?m not a needy
woman. I don?t rely on other people for anything much. Relationships that last
are ones where you accept the changes in each other, and can laugh. Life
doesn?t get easier but it does get funnier.?
She returned to London three years ago. ?I?d been homesick for 26 years.? She
flies regularly to Oz to see Barry, brings his sewing home and posts it back.
JJ and shih tzu Archie are also there, while Georgie lives in London. ?And I
have an adoptive daughter Joycie who?s now back in Africa.? A second dog, a
bitch called John, now resides in America with Nicolette Sheridan (Edie from
Desperate Housewives).
A lifelong celebrity pal is Liza Minnelli. ?Meeting Liza and her mother [Judy
Garland, of course] had a huge effect. Hanging out at their house in Chelsea
with Dirk Bogarde and James Mason floating around, going to the Savoy for tea
with Noël Coward? Liza and I were just thinking about the next naughty thing we
could get up to.?
Meanwhile, the Manning household in Dulwich Village welcomed great sportsmen.
Katy?s father ? the biggest influence in her life ? was JL Manning, a
politician turned sports journalist. ?He was an extraordinary righter of
wrongs. He fought to have a doctor at the side of a boxing ring; fought against
apartheid in schools in Africa, for pensions for journalists? families. He was
carried down the streets of Wales after fighting for miners? causes. He
couldn?t stand injustice.?
She exudes joie de vivre and is hilarious company but says she?s compensating
for lack of confidence. ?I get nail marks in my palms before I walk into a room
full of people. Actors live behind other personalities. But I?m as dull as
ditchwater. I?m really boring.? Katy, I say, has anyone ever told you you?re
boring? She shrugs. ?My kids maybe. But I?m very withdrawn and quiet and love
doing things on my own.?
She?s a bundle of insecurities, especially about her looks. As a teenager in
the 60s, she was involved in a horrendous car crash. Dating Richard Eyre (long
before he became a theatrical knight), she was driven up to see him at Oxford
University by Bamber Gascoigne?s brother, Brian. On the way back, ?We went over
a roundabout and into a garage. There were no seatbelts in those days. I was
thrown through the windscreen and a plate-glass window.?
Gascoigne sustained broken ribs, whereas Katy?s legs were smashed, her back was
broken, her face disfigured. She spent almost two years in and out of hospital.
?They weren?t entirely sure I?d walk again. I have more metal in my body than
an airport can handle. I had a lot of reconstructive surgery. When you kiss
this [left] side of my face, it?s skin grafted from my bottom. So it?s kiss my
ass!
?After that I kind of stopped looking at myself,? she says. ?When I see myself
in pictures it?s always a shock. I?ve never been pretty. I?ve always been the
one who people say, ?She?s funny.? Barry says children like me because I look
like a Muppet. Even Jon Pertwee used to say I had a funny face.?
It?s heartbreaking because most of the nation ? and her colleagues ? thought
she was incredibly sexy. ?I?d never have done those shots with the Dalek if I
thought I was sexy.? She notoriously posed nude with a Dalek in Girl
Illustrated in 1978. ?I did it for a laugh. It was a lot of fun and it was my
idea. Derek Nimmo [co-star in the West End farce Why Not Stay for Breakfast?]
was furious because he?d given me those boots for my opening night. Then I
wrapped them round a Dalek.?
Perhaps Katy will accept ? after decades of being told so ? that she is
adorable? ?I don?t get it. I look at myself and I don?t believe it. But I enjoy
being with the fans. I hold the autograph queue up because everybody has to
have a hug. If they feel shy, I can change that. I have great respect for those
fans. They?ve made me a little more secure, so I want to give back.
?Doctor Who was a real high for me. Three of the most inspiring, creative and
loving years of my life. Jon and I were so close. One of the most important
things to get right is the chemistry. Lis [Sladen] used to say to me, ?Do you
know what it was like following you!??
Straight after Who in 1973 she presented artsy-crafty series Serendipity for
the BBC. ?Then I played one of the first TV lesbians in The Golden Road [ITV?s
Armchair Theatre], directed by Douglas Camfield.? He also cast her as a
boobs-flashing, vomiting junkie in BBC1?s hard-hitting crime drama, Target.
?Two groundbreaking pieces of television. If people say, ?Were you typecast??
Go figure! No!?
She?s glued to modern Doctor Who. ?Ever since Christopher Eccleston came out of
that goddamn box I?ve loved it. All the new Doctors are brilliant but I?ve only
worked with Matt Smith.? In 2010 she guest-starred opposite him in The Sarah
Jane Adventures. ?Russell [T Davies] sent me the script and I thought he
absolutely nailed it. Jo was still saving this planet in her own inimitable
way.
?Matt?s a joy to work with. It?s an education to watch his beautifully realised
physicality as the Doctor. I said to him, ?Jon Pertwee would be very proud of
what you?re doing with this character.? And it was the first time I?d actually
worked with Lis, although we?d already become close friends. We had a lot of
past with Jon that bonded us. When I was a newbie at conventions, she really
helped me through. After she died, I said in an interview she was the
quintessential Doctor Who girl. And I really meant it.?
Katy?s hair went platinum for The Sarah Jane Adventures, ?but it doesn?t suit
me. I?ve gone back to blonde. I?d love to get my eyes done but a part of me
says, you know what, it?s too late. But I did have all my teeth veneered.?
She still gets bouts of depression. ?I have a black dog that comes and sits on
my shoulder. But I?ve learnt how to get through it. I give myself tasks that
frighten the hell out of me.? In 2009, she toured the UK with Me & Jezebel, a
hysterical one-woman show, in which she played Bette Davis among other
characters.
Pertwee urged her long ago to try comedy and capitalise on her vocal talents.
Even as Jo she used a higher register. ?Jon used to remind me sometimes,
?You?ve just gone down to the lorry driver again. Can you lift it up?? In Not a
Well Woman, her own semi-autobiographical play (available as a CD and
download), she plays 24 people. Voiceovers, book readings for AudioGo and audio
dramas (where she?s Jo or Iris Wildthyme, an eccentric Time Lady) keep her
busy. Just now, she?s labouring over a hat for Iris?s debut ?in the flesh? at a
convention.
And look out for her in Richard Marson?s BBC4 film, Tales from Television
Centre. ?I was a child of television. I?m passionate about the BBC.? She can?t
wait to watch it but dreads seeing herself in HD. ?I?m hoping for a small telly
with a magnifying glass.? She lets me play with her fake ciggie. I?m not sure
what to do with it. ?Suck it and see, darling. If I ever did write an
autobiography, that?s what I?d call it.?
The afternoon has flown by. We?re still nattering away on rainy Piccadilly,
going down the escalator and cramming into any available armpit space on a
rush-hour Tube train. I spot people checking out this tiny, festooned,
glamorous sexagenarian with a husky voice, as if thinking, ?I know her...? She
nestles into me and I wonder what my eight-year-old self ? inconsolable when Jo
Grant left Doctor Who in 1973 ? would make of this scenario.
Then we?re at Bond Street. A parting hug and kiss, and Katy Manning, childhood
heroine to millions, is dashing up the platform, vanishing back to her very own
space/time continuum.
What they said
RT has asked Katy?s admirers to encapsulate her appeal?
?One word? ?Knickers!? Haha. Katy played Jo unashamedly as the archetypal
Doctor Who companion ? sexy, brave, selfless and thoroughly terrified of the
monsters!"
Tom Spilsbury Doctor Who Magazine editor
?Be still the ice-canos of my heart! Katy Manning as Jo Grant practically is my
childhood and I still can?t watch the end of the wonderful Green Death without
dissolving into tears.?
Mark Gatiss writer and actor
?Adorable, chirpy, go-get-?em Jo. She had the most winning smile of any
companion. It absolutely lit up the screen.?
Mark Braxton Radio Times writer
?As a lad, Jo Grant was the first girl I ever wished I knew, wished I could
call my friend and wished I could have mad adventures with. As an adult, I met
Katy Manning, she is my friend and we have had a lot of mad adventures. What
more could a Doctor Who fan ask for??
Gary Russell former Doctor Who/The Sarah Jane Adventures script editor
?It?s hard to tell where Jo ends and Katy starts. Both are utterly adorable.?
Edward Russell Doctor Who brand manager
?Katy is really special to me ? being with her was so much fun.?
Brian Hodgson former head of the BBC Radiophonic Workshop
?In the early 1970s, Katy Manning epitomised what was, for me, the perfect,
quintessential Doctor Who companion. Scatterbrained, sweet and full of
personality. And working with her last year, bringing Terrance Dicks?s The
Eight Doctors to life, she was adorable. She later texted me to say it was the
best day of her life. I unreservedly love her to bits.?
Ian Levine record producer
?Katy Manning was one of the formative loves of my life. I adored her scatty,
impulsive, emotional performance and felt fiercely loyal in the face of
disparaging remarks from my sceptical mother, half-watching behind me (?those
ghastly boots... that awful hacked hairstyle... that terrible fur jacket...?).
She was missing the point. Jo was a true friend and her unwanted departure cast
a sad shadow over Christmas 1973.?
Richard Marson producer/director, Tales from Television Centre
?Of anyone who?s ever interviewed me in my kitchen, she was the most
unexpected.?
Steven Moffat Doctor Who executive producer
And from the RT archive?
?Working with Katy Manning has been wonderful. She?s a lovely person. Mad as a
box of fish but totally dynamite!?
Matt Smith actor (RT October 2010)
?Katy and I have a really good connection. We have so much to share, just like
Sarah Jane and Jo.?
Elisabeth Sladen actress (RT October 2010)
?I am myself as Jo. Jo?s a very scatty, slightly messy, very happy person. And
that?s me.?
Katy Manning (RT January 1972)
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