Hi Malcolm. About twenty or more years ago, we had a labrador , he was a perfect pain the rear, could not trust him anywhere near food, and he could be quite nasty, but when there was no food about he was lovely. One evening in summer, we went with our two girls and some friends, to a nice pub garden to have a drink, we took Prince the dog, I put the loop of the lead under my chair leg, and some people were playing tug of war, so Pete thought it a good idea to go and give the youngsters, on one end a bit of help, and guess who thought he would go as well, yes you guessed it, and I landed up on the ground luckily I had trousers on, but everybody had a good laugh at my expense, we did not return to that pub, or take the dog again. Bye for now Elaine skype ElaineandKezi