Hi Mike, Interesting. When I was at East Lake Campground, an area without phone service, and using Navigon on my Ipod with no wifi, and of course no phone service because IPod doesn't have that capability even had there been a connection, the gps correctly identified our location. The poi search wasn't very helpful, but it had us in the right area. this is with the add on gps cradle/battery for the Touch. The gps accuracy wasn't that great, although not as bad as what you cited. But we were in an area with lots of trees, so I assumed that was why the accuracy was rated as it was. I didn't have my sensenav, because my voicesense is in the shop for repair, so I couldn't do a comparison. I wonder if the issue isn't with the way the IPhone needs cell service for gps. I heard that was true. Even though the app can work without that service. I know other IPod touch users who use Navigon all the time with their Touches while out and about walking or driving with no wifi. Mary mary Mary Otten motten53@xxxxxxxxx To change your email settings (unsubscribe, digest only, or vacation mode): http://senderogroup.com/social_media/email.htm Additionally, to unsubscribe send an email to gps-talkusers-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject.