[gps-talkusers] Re: online maps
- From: "George B" <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:05:41 -0800
mike this is why i been asking all along with charles to beta test for you
and was told i would be put on the list. i at this point next to never use
data on my phone i try to use g p s solutions which have the maps in my
device for all the reasons the gentelman list below.
i hope to become a beta tester i sent a email to charles and i worked with
him many times in the past with your products and with in testing code
factory's m geo from the ground up.
in saying this the cloud method as people call it is in my opinion a
reliable means when the cloud is not available like in my case many areas in
the state of washington where i go would not get any kind of data connection
so i use the internal g p s on the phone and in my ituch.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-
> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Schmude
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 15:47
> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: online maps
>
> Hi Mike
> In that case, I guess I'm off your list of customers. Online maps are
> useful as a supplement, but please understand a few points as to why
> this makes me so upset:
> First, your point about GPS on the iPhone requiring data is absolutely,
> 100% wrong. Any iOS compatible bluetooth GPS receiver will, indeed,
> allow this. I have the Bad-Elf Pro and can confirm. I find this to be
> suspicious given that, you yourself, have mentioned many iOS-compatible
> bluetooth receivers on this list. When using a Bluetooth receiver,
> cellular data is not necessary and anyone who is concerned with gps
> accuracy will, indeed, be using a bluetooth receiver.
> Second, I've been in too many metropolitan areas where there is just
> not a reliable data signal. My GPS becomes useless if my data
> connection drops? Unacceptable.
> Third, you do realize that most ISPs have eliminated their unlimited
> data plan, and those overage charges can be nasty? This point is not of
> concern for me just yet as I managed to grandfather my unlimited, but I
> won't have that forever if AT&T's got anything to say about it.
> Fourth, what exactly will happen when and if you decide to stop
> supporting this product? Wayfinder wasn't that long ago, and many of us
> remember all too well what happened there. I won't pay a premium for a
> cloud only GPS solution. That's too big a risk to take.
> So in this case, what advantages do online maps offer that can outweigh
> these problems?
>
> I guess I'll be holding off until a downloadable map function is
> implemented. Ah well, I've gotten along fine with Navigon and other
> programs so far that do have this functionality. Reliability is far
> more important than bells and whistles, and cel data is simply not a
> reliable enough medium to guarantee functionality. There isn't enough
> speed advantage as far as route calculation, as Navigon can calculate a
> route quite fast locally. Even if it's a tiny bit faster, what if the
> servers go down? That's just not acceptable.
> I have no objection to being able to, optionally, use online data to
> supplement the locally stored maps. There are many uses for this: gtfs,
> up-to-date local information, etc. Relying only on the cloud, however,
> will not be able to give me the solidity and reliability I've been lead
> to expect from Sendero.
>
> Sorry Sendero, no sell.
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:15 PM, "Michael May" <mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Folks, remember to change the subject line please. I won't have much
> time
> > here at CSUN to respond to the list. We will do what we can.
> >
> > The maps are indeed online. We have always been fans of locally
> stored maps
> > but there are advantages to having them online. It is on our list to
> store a
> > section of the maps locally.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:36 AM
> > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Android version of the Seeing Eye GPS
> app
> >
> > Sounds like none of the maps are stored locally. I know some users
> probably
> > will not like this, but, places where there is no coverage are
> probably few
> > and far between these days.
> > Original message:
> >> The maps and POIs.
> >> It will depend on how much you use the app as to how much data it
> >> consumes. It would be no different then any other gps app that uses
> >> online maps.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 2/26/2013 11:04 AM, Dale Leavens wrote:
> >>> This will probably push me into buying an iPhone. I am interested
> >>> though to know what the Seeing Eye GPS App uses cellular data for?
> And
> > how much?
> >
> >>> Thanks.
> >
> >>> Dale Leavens.
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Casey"
> <kim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:00 AM
> >>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Android version of the Seeing Eye GPS
> >>> app
> >
> >
> >>>> Hi Donnie,
> >
> >>>> Seeing Eye GPS works on iPads that have cell service. The 3G/LTE
> >>>> iPads also have built in GPS. The iPad must have a data plan.
> >
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Kim
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donnie
> >>>> Harris
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:37 PM
> >>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Android version of the Seeing Eye GPS
> >>>> app
> >
> >>>> Hey Mike, is this app also going to work on an I pad?
> >>>> Donnie Harris
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May"
> >>>> <mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Cc: "'Kim Casey'" <kim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:58 PM
> >>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Android version of the Seeing Eye GPS app
> >
> >
> >>>> : We have discussed what is necessary for an Android version but
> >>>> nothing in
> >>>> : the works yet. You of course have the Nearby Explorer from APH
> to
> >>>> work with.
> >>>> :
> >>>> : Mike
> >>>> :
> >>>> :
> >>>> : -----Original Message-----
> >>>> : From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> : [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
> >>>> Arrigo
> >>>> : Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:53 PM
> >>>> : To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> : Cc: 'Kim Casey'
> >>>> : Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Announcing the Seeing Eye GPS app
> >>>> free preview,
> >>>> : new 2013 Sendero products, and remote CSUN access!
> >>>> :
> >>>> : Any plans to bring this to Android as well? And, what are the 2
> >>>> map sources?
> >>>> : On Feb 25, 2013, at 6:07 PM, "Kim Casey" <kim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>> :
> >>>> : > Sendero Group has been designing accessible GPS since 1994.
> >>>> Almost 20
> >>>> : years of user feedback and feature requests are behind the
> design
> >>>> of all
> >>>> : Sendero GPS products. The accessible features in Seeing Eye GPS
> >>>> are only the
> >>>> : beginning of what is yet to come as users help in evolving this
> >>>> first fully
> >>>> : accessible GPS product for the iPhone. To participate in the
> >>>> preview, visit
> >>>> : us at CSUN Booth 521 or reply to this email and we will send you
> a
> >>>> link for
> >>>> : a Test Flight as soon as it is available.
> >>>> : >
> >>>> : > About Seeing Eye GPS
> >>>> : >
> >>>> : > Getting around independently is a function of good mobility
> >>>> tools like a
> >>>> : guide dog or cane and good orientation tools like accessible
> GPS.
> >>>> Two
> >>>> : pioneers in their fields, The Seeing Eye and Sendero Group have
> >>>> teamed up to
> >>>> : provide a fully accessible turn-by-turn GPS iPhone app with all
> >>>> the normal
> >>>> : navigation features plus features unique to blind users.
> >>>> : >
> >>>> : > * Instead of multiple layers of menus, the 3 important
> >>>> navigation elements
> >>>> : are on the lower portion of every screen, Route, POIs and
> Location.
> >>>> : > * At intersections, the street name and your direction of
> travel
> >>>> are
> >>>> : announced.
> >>>> : > * Intersections are described like 4-way with the clock face
> >>>> orientation
> >>>> : of the streets.
> >>>> : > * There are 3 choices for POI data and 2 map sources.
> >>>> : > * Directions are configured appropriately for Pedestrian and
> >>>> vehicle
> >>>> : routes including heads up when approaching a turn, the turn now
> >>>> indication,
> >>>> : continue straight and where the subsequent turn is located.
> >>>> : > * When the user wanders off the route, it is automatically
> >>>> recalculated
> >>>> : and updated turn information is announced.
> >>>> : > * Point your phone in a given direction to hear what is nearby
> >>>> with the
> >>>> : LookAround Wand.
> >>>> : > * Nearby Points of interest and intersections are
> automatically
> >>>> announced.
> >>>> : > For more information go to
> >>>> : > http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopseeingeyegps.htm
> >>>> : >
> >>>> : > New 2013 Sendero products
> >>>> : >
> >>>> : > Announcing Sendero PC GPS 2013, adds GPS functionality to
> >>>> Sendero PC Maps
> >>>> : and works on Windows laptops, Tablets, and ultrabooks.
> >>>> : > New 2013 maps and POIs for Sendero GPS, Sense Navigation, and
> >>>> Mobile
> >>>> : > Geo plus much faster POI searches
> >>>> : >
> >>>> : > Not going to CSUN - No problem!
> >>>> : >
> >>>> : > Thanks to the folks at Accessible World Tek Talk, you can join
> >>>> in the fun
> >>>> : and listen into the following presentations.
> >>>> : > February 28, Thursday, 9:30 - 10:30 PM, Testing a Prototype
> >>>> iPhone
> >>>> : > People Finder App March 1, Friday, 2:00 - 3:00 PM, Showing the
> >>>> Seeing
> >>>> : > Eye GPS iPhone App Just go to:
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> >>>> : >
> >>>> : > For more information on all of these items, go to
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