I have spent much time in the desert with the California National Guards in Fort Erwin and it get around 145 degree ground temp acorse and the water Evaporator system work like a freezer in the desert -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Baracco, Andrew W Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:33 AM To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Death Valley It is a popular winter vacation site, and there are folks who spend the entire winter there. Temps are mild, and it doesn't really start getting hot until May. Andy -----Original Message----- From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael May Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 3:57 PM To: GPS-talkusers-freelists.org Subject: [gps-talkusers] Death Valley In case we don't have any listers who can stick up for Death Valley California, I thought I'd take a virtual tour and tell you what I found. Mostly what you hear about Death Valley iks that is a couple hundred feet below sea level and has temperatures of 120 degrees in the summer. I knew a guy once who ran from there to the top of the highest mountain, some 14000 feet I think. He trained by riding a stationary bike in a sauna. I had to search out 42 miles before I found a restaurant. It was in the town of Trona. There is a place called Breakfast Canyon but it isn't a restaurant. You get a lot of points from the GNIS database. Several of these points are springs, something that could be rather useful in this type of environment. There are a couple mines too. Rattlesnake, Gulch sounds like a hot spot. How about West Side Borax Camp with an elevation of minus 255 feet. Don't forget Stovepipe Wells. There is even an airport there. Devils cornfield must have an interesting history. The Jean Lemoigne grave is mentioned as a POI. I wonder who she was. The Death Valley airport is in Furnace Creek with an elevation of 214 feet. There is even a Furnace Creek Golf Course. There are a couple camp grounds and even a Death Valley Museum. Go up a few thousand feet to reach Hells Gate, part of the Funeral mountains where you will also find Coffin Peak, elevation 5503 feet. There is Telescope Peak at 11,049 feet. The highest peak I found was Lone Pine Peak at 12,994 feet. So granted, it is not Disney Land but there are hidden treasures to be found almost anywhere you go in the world. In this case, you might want to be a cactus collector to benefit the most from Death Valley. I do believe I will have to go there sometime to check it out and to add some points of interest. I have to believe there are restaurants which just haven't made it into the database. Mike Michael G. May CEO Sendero Group Developers and distributors of the Cadillac of accessible GPS products as well as distributing BrailleNote, VoiceNote, Victor Stream, Talks, Miniguide and the ID Mate Crashing Through by Robert Kurson available at http://www.CrashingThrough.com MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.SenderoGroup.com 1-888-757-6810, Fax (530) 757-6830, Mobile (530) 304-0007 Sendero Group, LLC 1118 Maple Lane, Davis, CA 95616-1723, USA