Still hitting the glass ceiling of inaccessability with sharpEye I can't get
past the read part. SharpEye uses my title for the tif adds a star and a dash
then says sharpEye
there is no indicator or number of errors to know if any thing is happening. If
I try to read it again the robot says I have not saved my document and that it
will be overwriten. I am so greatful to have this list to bounce ideas off
otherwise I would chuck my computer out the window!
any help would be greatly appreciated.
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On Sep 16, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Bill <billlist1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:-
Hello, Daniel,
My thanks to James Risdon for his most informative post. Only one caution:
PDFToMusic sometimes works amazingly well and sometimes it does not.
MuseScore or other programs that, can, read pdf format and convert it to TIFF
or MusicXML do not necessarily always do so perfectly well. Any time there is
any kind of conversion from one file format to another, there is the
potential for information literally getting lost in the translation.
That being said though, pdf documents created from a music notation program
such as Sibelius tend to scan really well. But where scanning and/or file
conversion are concerned, nothing is always 100 percent as the expression
goes.
SharpEye cannot read pdf format directly. As James R. said, you must convert
pdf to TIFF using something like the TIFF Image Printer from Peernet.
At this point in the post, I will ask everyone to please keep as quiet as
possible in order not to wake Mr. Risdon.
(Snap! Sorry, James. I couldn't resist!)
But seriously now: I will paste in a link to a page on DancingDots.com that
summarizes most of the options we know about for file conversion utilities
that will prepare scores to be opened in our Lime notation software. For
those new to Lime, you can think of it as a kind of word processor for music.
Here that link but please read on after the link for some very important
information.
Using Peernet's TIFF Image Printer (9.0) with SharpEye Music Reader
www.dancingdots.com/tsscanning/peernet.htm
Also, my thanks to our friend, James Risdon, for his kind words about our
documentation. We do include lots of images in our GoodFeel manual but
Albert Milani, GoodFeel's main developer, and I both felt it was important to
include information that blind users (like yours truly) would appreciate.
OK, here follows a direct paste from the very first entry on our FAQ page for
GoodFeel. I hope all of you find it helpful, especially those of you who are
completely new to our software:
Q. What is the process for scanning, editing and transcribing print music
into Braille?
A. The instructions shown below will work for everyone but they are written
primarily with the screen reader user in mind. Sighted users may wish to
substitute mouse equivalents.
SharpEye Music Reader
◾Start SharpEye from Desktop
◾CONTROL+TAB to exit Input Image window
◾Note: First time only or after installing a new scanner: File | Select Twain
source. You may find on tabbing through this dialog that you have more than
one choice of scanner drivers to select. I have found with our Canon scanners
that if the term ""WIA"" appears in the description of the driver, that
choice works well. You may have to go through a trial and error process
before you find the twain source driver that works best for you.
◾Note: Place print score face-down on scanner. Put the top edge of the page
flush with the edge of the scanner opposite to the hinge.
◾Press ALT+F, then the letter Q to acquire the image. Make sure your scanner
is set to gray-scale and 300 dots-per-inch (DPI) Scanner options vary
according to which make and model of scanner you are using.
◾Press ALT+S to start scanning. If you are not sure when this step has ended,
just wait until your scanner stops making noise.
[Alternatively, after running SharpEye, you can press CONTROL+I and open any
TIFF or .bmp image file you wish. That is, instead of taking the steps above
to scan a hardcopy print document using a scanner, simply open an image that
has already been acquired.]
◾Now you can Read the image with ALT+R, R.
◾Press INSERT+NUMPAD 3 to read status line to hear progress report. If number
of rhythm errors = 0, congratulations. Otherwise, sighted assistant must help
to correct or possibly you could fix in Lime later if error not critical.
◾To play back: Press ALT+F, L. If you cannot hear the music playing. Check
MIDI Options under SharpEye's Options menu. Tab to the Velocity field and set
to at least 100. Tab to OK.
◾To Stop playback: Press ALT+F, Y.
◾To launch Lime from SharpEye: Press ALT+F, F, F.
Lime with Lime Aloud
◾Press ENTER to accept NIFF import default settings.
◾To refer at any time to the Lime Aloud Guide for JAWS-specific help: Hold
down the JAWS key while you press F1 twice quickly to open the Lime Aloud
Guide. It may take up to 30 seconds, but eventually Internet Explorer will
open and display the contents of this annotated reference guide for JAWS
users. By the way, if you have JAWS set to use a desktop keyboard, your JAWS
key is the INSERT KEY. If you have JAWS set to a laptop keyboard, your JAWS
key is the CAPS LOCK key. You can leave the guide page open and move back and
forth between it and Lime itself by pressing ALT+TAB.
◾To enter a title: Press ALT+A, X, T.
◾To rename part: Press ALT+V, V and then ALT+R to open rename edit field.
Lime places you in a list of parts. Press vertical arrows (up and down) to
highlight the part you want to rename. Place JAWS KEY+TAB to read current
part when this dialog gets too chatty. Be sure to rename all parts to
traditional instrumental or vocal part names such as ""Flute"", ""Violin"",
""Alto"", ""Vocal"". Name treble staff of keyboard part ""Piano RH"" and bass
staff ""Piano LH"". Sometimes, SharpEye formats the grand staff as a single
part and all that is necessary is to name it ""Piano"" or ""Harp"". Lime will
automatically append a number so that the treble clef part, for example,
becomes ""Piano-1"" and bass/left-hand becomes ""Piano-2"". After you have
renamed all parts, tab to OK to close the Parts and Voices dialog.
◾To Launch GOODFEEL: Press ALT+F, G
◾Lime may prompt you for a file name.
GOODFEEL
◾If GOODFEEL has errors to report, it will open its Intermediate dialog.
◾Tab once to focus on the list of errors and press down arrow to read.
◾Tab to the Process button or press ALT+P to process.
◾GOODFEEL's final dialog asks you where you want to send your braille. Press
ENTER to open braille view program.
◾Press ALT+F4 to close the BrlView program after you review the output.
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From: goodfeel-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:goodfeel-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of jim jim
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 12:54 PM
To: goodfeel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [goodfeel] Re: getting started with sharpeye, lime and goodfeel
Can you import a tif file to lim?
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On Sep 14, 2016, at 1:17 AM, Risdon, James <James.Risdon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:.n7œµöª¢» Ö¦zËëh‚Š }ç¥ê®zË_祊Ël¢¸0ŠØm…ä®n7œµöª
Hi Daniel,
It doesn't look like you have had much response to your shout out for advice.
To answer your questions, Lime cannot open PDF though you will find a few
commercial and free converters out there, some of which have been
recommended on this list in the past. Pdf2music rings a bell. I personally
use the free open source Musescore programme which has a pdf import feature,
using a third party free app. I open the score in Musescore and simply save
as MusicXML which I can then import into Lime. The results are pretty good,
at least as good as scanning, probably much better.
This may be considered heracy on this list, but I have come to the
conclusion that scanning music is a red herring, unless the music is
A. printed on A4 paper so there is no overlap on the scanner bed, B. a
brand new copy with no dirt marks or pencil annotations, C. on thick
enough paper to prevent bleed through from the opposite side, D. printed
clearly with good spacing, no overlapping symbols.
I have had some goodish results with single line music, but rarely with
multiple staves or voices.
I much prefer to get hold of the music electronically, preferably having the
music inputted into Lime or Musescore or Sibelius or any other programme. In
my experience, sighted folk find it much quicker and easier to key in a
score from scratch than correcting faulty scans of music, and it is way more
rewarding for them.
I always save the MusicXML file, the Lime file and the braille file for
future use. I find being able to edit braille files in Duxbury essential so
you may wish to consider this as an add-on.
Goodfeel can do some amazing things once you have a good print score. The
simple rule is "rubbish in, rubbish out; gold in, gold out" I use it almost
every day for work or my own freelance work. It is well worth reading the
documentation that ships with the product, starting with the quick reference
guide called producing braille music that you can find in the start menu
under Goodfeel. The Goodfeel manual itself is also worth having to hand, but
you may find you don't need all of it. It doubles as a great cure for
insomnia too! Sorry, Bill, that was a cheap joke. Dancing Dots write the
best documentation geared for blind people that I have ever seen and with
some basic computer knowledge, you can rely on it to guide you through.
Hope this helps Daniel, and enjoy getting lots of braille almost at the
press of a button. Your musical life is about to change.
James, UK
-----Original Message-----
From: goodfeel-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:goodfeel-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of daniel wolak
Sent: 19 August 2016 18:48
To: goodfeel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [goodfeel] getting started with sharpeye, lime and goodfeel
Hello all,
I'm a blind music student, and am just starting to explore goodfeel as
a solution for translating print music to braille.
I'm just playing around with sharpeye to start the recognition of some
music, however this music is in PDF form.
Is there any way to open PDFs in sharpeye?
Thanks for any help, and if any of you have any suggestions for
getting the most out of sharpeye, lime and goodfeel do let me know.
Thanks,
Daniel
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