[geocentrism] Re: incitement to racism
- From: "John Roodt" <johnroodt@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:32:16 +1000
My perception of you, Philip, has always been that you are a reasonable
person so I apologise for my strong reaction.
There was a lot that all of us hated about Apartheid. The boorish-mentality
of the government was oppressive -- to everyone. In some respects it was
liberating for all when Apartheid ended, but only because we thought that
things would truly change. All that happened was that we returned to the
frontier days. Only this time, we were being forced to hand over the things
that had enabled us in our hundreds to defeat the others in their tens of
thousands -- our knowledge. Open racism against white people is tolerated.
I accompanied the Board of the company I worked for on a trip to the US in
the late '90's and one of the Indian Board members boasted to our American
hosts that they had intended to rise up and annihilate the white people once
the 1994 elections had ended, but Mandela stayed their hand. I nearly lost
my job -- :-) "overreacted" pretty much as I did to your mail. I explained
to our embarrassed host how prepared we had been for such an eventuality. A
people with their backs to the wall in circumstances of such treachery would
not hesitate to use their nuclear weapons. And if our army could defeat
Southern Africa in 3 weeks (according to British and American intelligence)
how long would their slaughter of our people continue before they started
burning up?
But this attitude persists. My black colleagues at work used to tell me that
whites should be grateful that they didn't wipe us out. Or they made snide
little comments..."wait till Mandela dies".
So I get easily incensed when people mention what's happening now as "it's
your turn to suffer". It is dangerous, because it influences those who hear
it to turn a blind eye to what is happening.
Here's my bedtime story that lulls me to sleep:
"Little-white-man overcame ten-black-men and held sway over them.
Two-superpowers came along and threatened him with destruction if he did not
relinquish his position. So little-white-man handed over this gun to
ten-black-men and then stood while two-superpowers tied his hands behind his
back. They then walked away boasting of how righteous they were to end
injustice. In the meantime, ten-black-men beat little-white-man, sodomised
him, put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. Then ten-black-men went
away rejoicing and boasting at their great strength -- and how they had
defeated their enemy".
Got to hand it to those people -- they've proved their worth by their mighty
deeds.
Mandela has a lot fine qualities. But I have always been able to say good
things about every person that I have met during my life . There are the few
exceptions. Even the Bible refers to some men as "worthless fellows".
But when Mandela was released he was interviewed by John Bishop on
television and asked: "Do you at least condemn your 'Soft Target Policy'"?
The Soft Target Policy was the planting of bombs in pubs, restaurants,
take-ways, shopping malls etc. that indiscriminately killed men, women,
children and babies. Mandela looked away and said: "In every war, people are
killed in the crossfire".
Maybe we could have averted the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq if Mandela was
quick enough to label the 9-11 attacks as "crossfire". I guess he knew who
was buttering his bread.
I remember a mother whose 18 year-old daughter had just been murdered, going
to Mandela and pleading with him to do something about the crime in the
country. She didn't plead for help with finding her daughters killers.
Mandela just looked at her and said dispassionately: "There is crime in the
townships too". And that was it.
Certainly the finest leader to come out of Africa and one of the greatest of
the modern era.
What a sad world we live in.
There are so many criticism you can bring against South Africans during the
Apartheid era, and probably during the 300 years prior to that. But I think
when a people's 350 years of history is constantly maligned and being
purposefully and systematically eradicated -- it may be punishment enough.
Reason enough to rather focus on the current injustices.
Anyway, nice to be able to rant a little...don't get that chance often.
John
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:18 AM, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Blacks had a really good deal under White rule in South Africa. I think
> now that most Blacks of that era would say the same.
> Neville, I agree, and I would also add that the majority of black slaves
> were not too happy when they got liberated in America by the North..
>
> the "evolution fairytale that people latch on to in order to justify (in
> their eyes) their stupid, pointless lives."
>
> Yet when I look at some people, my faith weakens in that they look so much
> like the MISSING LINK.
>
> Phil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 11, 2008 2:07 AM
> *Subject:* [geocentrism] Re: incitement to racism
>
> John,
>
> I think that the majority of people are brain dead and really couldn't give
> a toss about anything other than themselves.
>
> When I was an undergraduate at London University in the 70s, I used to
> think for myself and stand up and be counted. For example, the Student Union
> had a 'debate' on abortion, which was nothing more than a few mouthy clowns
> shouting about a woman's 'right to choose'. One guy stood up and spoke
> against abortion. He was heckled and jeered, but I listened to what he was
> saying and where he was coming from. When the vote came, there were just two
> voting against abortion - the brave speaker and me.
>
> Likewise, I used to speak out against the anti-apartheid lobby, because in
> my opinion the Blacks had a really good deal under White rule in South
> Africa. I think now that most Blacks of that era would say the same.
>
> After leaving university and going to work every day for a living to
> support a young family, my perspective narrowed and I became engrossed in
> Thatcher's Britain. I.e., I was taking on a selfish view of the world.
>
> This world is geared to obscuring truth and replacing the purpose of life
> with some never-never unreality, such that we can all stop thinking for
> ourselves and speaking up for what we believe in.
>
> This forum is not like that. I thank people like yourself and Philip for
> giving reasoned debate as you have. And, in fairness to Philip, I think that
> the main point he was making was against the organic evolution fairytale
> that people latch on to in order to justify (in their eyes) their stupid,
> pointless lives.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neville.
> www.realityreviewed.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* johnroodt@xxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:27:39 +1000
> *To:* geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [geocentrism] Re: incitement to racism
>
> Phillip, it's amazing that you have absolutely no concern regarding the
> crimes and injustice that are obviously driving this man mad. No concern.
> Whatsoever. I wonder if you were faced with that situation every day whether
> the word "savage" would be far from your own mind.
>
> It is hateful to have things like slavery and caste systems where people
> are relegated to positions of servant-hood regardless of their personal
> character. But even the Scripture makes a distinction when roles are
> reversed -- for example:
>
> proverbs 19:10
> It is not fitting for a fool to live in luxury— how much worse for a slave
> to rule over princes!
>
> proverbs 30:21-23
> "Under three things the earth trembles, under four it cannot bear up: ...
> a servant who becomes king ... and a maidservant who displaces her
> mistress.
>
> To justify this situation with words like "*when blacks were*" is unwise.
> We are not a defeated people. Only Mandela seemed to understand that.
>
> 73% of white people voted to end Separate Development in the early '90's
> (Apartheid is the Afrikaans word that the liberal media found easier to
> demonise). The promise then was that it would end our isolation from the
> world and bring about peace and justice for ALL.
>
> We gave up an economy and military that was the equivalent to the rest of
> "black Africa" combined. No other nation in the history of the world has
> done that.
>
> Those who voted against (27%) warned that we would not have justice. That
> we'd still effectively be at war, and that we would lose our
> self-determination. Only this time, we'd no longer be a regional super-power
> with nuclear weapons and with the strongest economy by far, and an army and
> police to protect us. To make matters worse -- the rest of the world would
> not care.
>
> They were right. As an example, more than 1,500 white farmers murdered
> since Mandela and his followers were "handed" power. No one gives a damn.
> Certainly not you, Philip.
>
> What was the difference with other European-settled countries in North and
> South America, and Australia and New Zealand? Why did only South Africa opt
> for Separate Development (Apartheid)? Well, we were the only ones who were
> outnumbered by the "others". For everyone else, Democracy was so very, very,
> very convenient. Can you think of a better legal way to steal someone's land
> than to simply move in in greater numbers and then declare Democratic rule?
>
> What is more, in the other countries, the "others" were truly indigenous.
> Contrast that with South Africa. The largest and most powerful group were
> the Zulu, and white people had already settled in what is now South Africa
> before the Zulu crossed over from what is now known as Mozambique. In
> reality, the vast majority of black people in South Africa are migrants and
> settlers from central Africa.
>
> Why don't you campaign against the existence of countries like Lesotho and
> Swaziland? They're products of Apartheid. If the policy had been allowed to
> continue, the hope was that the southern african region would comprise 8 or
> more such countries. It wasn't about slavery, or depriving people from the
> rights to citizenship.
>
> It was selfish. But no more selfish than modern political systems. Why not
> let anyone in the world enter countries like the USA, Australia, England
> etc. and vote...and settle where they please. Why should any nation have a
> right to "separate itself" for whatever reason. It's selective Apartheid.
>
> This is a waste of time. Congratulations! You certainly destroyed our
> nation -- from the British invasions over a hundred years ago that forced
> our two small republics into the area later called South Africa, to the
> anti-Aparteid campaign. You're good at it -- I'll give you that. But I know
> that white people in areas like North America, Australia, New Zealand and
> even England will face the exact same situation that white people in South
> Africa do today. I have known that since the day I watched us hand over our
> future.
>
> If you think that the situation in South Africa is just, Philip, then
> great. I am happy for you. Because it is your future -- and at least you
> know now that it won't be all that bad. But if it is -- tough, mate. Your
> record isn't that great either.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:48 PM, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
> Give us a break Brian.. we do not believe in evolution as Catholics.
> These black people are our brothers who need bringing to Christ, as many of
> them have been. Crimes of atrocities are not exclusive to black people.
> Bush and Clinton come to mind. Please post my response of the evil in your
> corrspondents post below to your list.
>
> *This is a racist versus racist example of a world without Christ. *
>
> *Look at his words as he reports. *
> "*The black savage pulled a knife " well we have white savages too...*
> **
> *"White woman leaving a restaurant was attacked by a simian......" *
> **
> *A straight out slur that black is monkey...... with overtones of a
> belief in evolution.... *
> **
> *1) Whites have absolutely NO recourse to the law;
> 2) any resistance to protect or retake your stolen property or life is
> illegal and
> 3) untouchable black criminals can do whatever they like, with the overt
> blessing of police and "security" outfits who in the good old days were
> supposed to protect people from criminals. *
> *Sounds a bit like what it was like for Blacks before when whites
> controlled the roost. *
> **
> *Whites are second class citizens in their own country, de facto and de
> jure SLAVES, and are graciously allowed to exist purely for the benefit of
> rapacious, self-entitled black parasites, who plunder through legal or
> illegal means the wealth, lives and possessions of these powerless Whites...
> *
> ****
> *Well amazing, we know this sounds familiar ... when blacks were second
> class citizens, thats even if they were considered as citizens. *
> **
> *Only from the True Christian Catholic view can we look at this situation,
> where it is imperative that charity ie the salvation of souls , (no color
> there) is the prime directive. Dutch ruled Africa never included the
> blacks as children of God needing saving for Him. And we may wonder if your
> correspondent likewise does care for souls. or even thinks he has one. *
> **
> *period. *
>
> *Philip. *
>
>
>
>
> *As *
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Governor <governor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* CENTRAL QUEENSLAND FREE STATE MEMBERS AND
> BENEFACTORS<governor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; TRADITIONAL
> CATHOLICS <governor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:16 AM
> *Subject:* FW:
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *Subject:* How long will we tolerate this injustice?
>
> *This is South Africa under black rule? As long as the white sheeple have
> their rugby and cricket to keep them busy, they may make a few feeble
> complaints about our parlous situation, but they will otherwise remain
> placid, happy and content!
> How much more degenerate can the white people become?
> Fred
> *
> *How long will we tolerate this injustice?
> **
> A few months ago, we reported on the black mugger who attacked a White
> family enjoying a Saturday afternoon stroll on a public beach, and stole an
> elderly woman's cellphone. Her son was able to catch the criminal, tackling
> him and wrestling the phone from him. The black savage pulled a knife but
> was disarmed and punched by the woman's brave son.
>
> Incredibly, black police who were summoned to the scene refused to arrest
> the mugger, and instead arrested the woman, as well as her son and husband
> for "assaulting the black criminal". The hapless family was detained in a
> police cell for the weekend, and only released on the Monday morning and all
> charges withdrawn.
>
> On 20 July 2008, a similar event happened in Pretoria. In a stunning repeat
> of the first incident of a few months ago, a young White woman leaving a
> restaurant was attacked by a simian, who snatched her cell phone. Stefan
> Kloppers who rushed to her aid, was able to tackle the subhuman scumbag and
> snatch the phone away from him. He chivalrously handed the shaken women back
> her cellphone and got into his car to leave, at which point a gang of 5 xxxx
> "security guards" who witnessed the whole thing, yet refused to intervene,
> blocked him from leaving.
> Instead, they summoned the (black) police, who immediately arrested the
> brave young White guy for "assault". They refused to arrest or even look in
> the direction of the xxxx criminal, and took Stefan off to police cells,
> where he spent the next two days locked up.
>
> Clearly this is becoming a racial pattern, and we can safely deduce that
>
> 1) Whites have absolutely NO recourse to the law;
> 2) any resistance to protect or retake your stolen property or life is
> illegal and
> 3) untouchable black criminals can do whatever they like, with the overt
> blessing of police and "security" outfits who in the good old days were
> supposed to protect people from criminals.
>
> I don't know how much clearer this message can possibly be made - Whites
> are second class citizens in their own country, de facto and de jure SLAVES,
> and are graciously allowed to exist purely for the benefit of rapacious,
> self-entitled black parasites, who plunder through legal or illegal means
> the wealth, lives and possessions of these powerless Whites...* *From
> News24:
> 'I won't help a victim again'
>
> Pretoria - Stefan Kloppers rushed to help a woman, tackling a thief who had
> stolen her cellphone. But now this hero is being charged with assault with
> the intention of inflicting grievous bodily harm.
>
> Kloppers, 34, of Cullinan was arrested within minutes of his brave deed on
> July 20. He was held for two days in a police cell before he was released on
> bail. "Never again will I help a victim of crime in SA," said Kloppers after
> his second appearance in court.
>
> Kloppers is being prosecuted even though police have still not taken a
> statement from the "victim", the suspected thief. Police have also not
> arrested the suspected thief for stealing the phone. Kloppers had that night
> been having dinner with friends at a restaurant in Hatfield. They were on
> their way to his car when they saw an informal parking guard harass the
> woman.
>
> "I thought he wanted money and walked on. Suddenly the woman yelled and
> said he had her cellphone. I chased after him and tackled him like I did at
> school when I was playing rugby," said Kloppers. He took the phone from the
> man's hand and gave it back to the woman. "He didn't argue," said Kloppers.
>
> He got into his car and saw how bystanders came closer and kicked the
> thief. As he left the parking area, he was stopped by five security guards
> who told him to stay there as they had seen "exactly" what had happened.
>
> Police were called and Kloppers was taken to the police station where he
> thought he would make a statement about the incident. Instead he was
> arrested. His legal representative objected to the State postponing the
> case again for a statement from the alleged thief. The court heard that
> police had not been able to find the suspected thief.
>
> When the court was told that the so-called victim was also a suspected
> thief, Magistrate Christopher Chokwe said, "When someone steals your phone,
> you don't attack him. You call the police."
> *
>
>
>
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