Thanks, that was great. John On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:48 PM, philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > No need to read past this point...this is just for fun... I have some > trivial questions > John not trivial at all, and I am always in for some fun. > Regarding an old Earth...I'm happy to accept it because Jesus already > demonstrated it by turning water into a really good wine. Is it possible to > chemically detect the age of a wine? The age of it I am not sure. > Remember the old sailing ships used to carry wine in ballast tanks to > artificially age it.. ( the rolling ) so can they detect a cultivated > pearl? > > And if so, what would we have noticed about the wine that Jesus turned the > water into? Just curious -- I'd appreciate any insight. Personal opinion > is that He would have made perfect wine. with a capital P. Even though He > merely had to make it better with less pollutants than the cheap wine > ....Another thought crosses my mind. What about some spiritual effect..After > all He would not have needed to use alcohol. It could have even still been > water, but of course we know it was wine. I am reminded of my occult > experimental days when I played with Hypnotism. We were a group of young > teenagers. We easily got people drunk on imaginary water, and sober again > just as quickly. The Priest accused me of playing with the Devil .. Today I > agree, but then I alluded to my altruism, and how we used it for curing ills > like smoking, which was our most common request. Of course the whole thing > led me further away from God, the Church, and into deeper occultism..even > joining the rosicrucians... I was lucky by the grace of God to get out of > there. I was tested and told to pour a bottle of beer down the sink.. This > is all alone in my own mind in a secluded room , mumbo jumoing over a candle > flame, turning its colors red and blue. I did pour it down the sink.. But I > never got so stupid that way again.. I loved my beer and still do. > > And, by the way, I'd take a fun bet that Adam and Eve did not have > belly-buttons. Well we cannot prove it either way. But it is logical, and > God had no reason to prove His work, that just as he created rings of age, > and not hollow trees, so likewise Adam had a navel, so that the > genetic information was available for his progeny. > > I know protestants accuse Lourdes as being of the devil.. With the > scientists of the day, they had a vested interest in finding an alternative > reason. Science had to accept the evidence, but claimed it had to be a > scientific reason that they were not able yet to explain. Today of > course most just say it did not happen. > > But the French acadamy of science still has the records with those in the > Vatican, (insisted by the Roman Authorities) of straight out creation... > virtually out of nothing. a crippled man with no bone in his leg walks with > a new bone instantly. Now to be compatible that bone had to be 18 years old, > his age at the time. Work of the devil, work of God, or unknown power of the > mind in science, it does not matter... Creation from nothing was proven. > > But there was a more disturbing problem for the good doctors of the time. > And this one contradicts my presumption that Adam had to have a navel. This > type of miracle is repeated in history in many myths. But at Lourdes, the > church insisted on and paid for the sceptical acadamy to keep a scientific > examinal presence. People came every day, but miracles didn't. In this case, > the man virtually had no eyes.. actually no pupils...He was blind to all > light. Afterwards, and for years he had normal sight... yet his eyes were > physiologically unchanged...no pupils. Now that is some illusion! > > What about our feet and ears continuing to grow all of our lives? Scary > thought! I am not sure what you mean here. Perhaps replacement? I knew a > woman working in my electrical business, around 30 years of age , who was > already growing her third set of teeth, those that were extracted. and some > pushing out the others needing extraction. She was no saint.. Here is a > point for science. But it "aint" a miracle. > > What do you think Adam and Eve looked like after 900 years? A cross between > Dumbo and a Hobbit? I have somewhere an interesting article by a brilliant > woman Solange Hertz and advocate of geocentrism extreme, who wrote an > article on Eden.. What it was like for Adam and Eve.. did they sex..would > they have had children.. did they poo. Their physiology. They were sustained > by the fruit of the tree of life. With their exile, they no longer had > acces, and so their lives slowly came to an end, and each generation went > downhill. So I reckon at 900 they probably looked like 90.. today. Eden > fascinates me. Myth has it that it still exists on earth protected by a veil > maintained by God. Elias and Enoch are supposed to be there as they did not > die the death. Allegedly training the babys developement , the dead unborn , > and the unbaptised innocents of limbo.. From whence Enoch to the jews and > elias to the gentiles shall come in the end times to do battle with > antichrist, die and be ressurrected, visibly if not in reality, to the > dismay of the antichrist followers. In full TV color no doubt. > > There must be a lot we don't know about the human body. Maybe some of the > vestigial organs or junk DNA once served a useful purpose -- or would if we > lived long enough. Evolutionists will point to these as proofs, of their > theory.. I prefer it to be as you say proof of our devolution.. I have > jokingly referred to the full blooded Aboriginal in Australia as proof of > the missing link.. Science has to shrink from that less they be called > racist, a modern NO No. So I love to keep throwing it at them. However they > are most certainly the result of degeneration as civilisation expanded away > from the God centre. > > Hmmm I did rave on a bit.. hope it ws worth it.. > > Phil > > > John >