[geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs ..chatter

"Ordination"

Thats OK Allen.. Perhaps you were thinking of being ordained as a Catholic 
Priest..  

Don't go to Rome though...  If you are serious, Ill show you the nearest 
seminary in the catacombs..  
Phil
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Allen Daves 
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:12 AM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs ..chatter




  Should be Acceleration........i suppose i could attempt to force "the 
resulting state; disposition; arrangement."..but NO I shall be noble and admit 
.... i goofed ..donʼt ask me...i donʼt know what in the world i was 
thinking.....:-)



   
  ----- Original Message ----
  From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 3:49:55 PM
  Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs


  Allen, whats this? 

  Laser Gyroscopes can measure both ordination ? as well as acceleration...??

  Phil

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Allen Daves 
    To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 1:18 AM
    Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs


    Regner, 



    Laser Gyroscopes can measure both ordination as well as acceleration...You 
really should read up on MM MG and the sagnac effect and a few others. Those 
experiments were performed to do just that to see if we could and then others 
later to test all of the hair brain ideas out there why it was actually 
something other then what they showed.???? We do it all the time in ICBMs & 
Cruise missiles and GPS Also suggest you ref Ron Hatch....he developed the 
"Hatch filter" for all GPS systems (so they would stay in time with each other) 
.... ..as for inertial ref frames, there is never been any demonstration that 
such monsters even exist except in theory that demands them in order to assault 
the very thing that the experiments show...and what is in question Here. Light 
is not isotropic and there is such a thing as absolute motion with respect to 
whatever medium(s) that light traverses ........ Absolute motion was and is the 
whole point of MM MG , saganac and others.............to prove or disprove the 
assertion that absolute motion can be measured. They found plenty of motion 
just not the motion they expected....sidereal but no orbital motion 
..ummmmm......so Eienstein invented STR to Explain it all.....but that was 
shown false later by saganc in 1913...as well as others......Your whole 
position is built on a circular fallacy of theories that make your assertions 
but our assertions are the only thing that demand the theory in the first place 
...whatʼs worse everything else is just chalked up to "Anomalies"......funny 
all those observations and experimentations make perfect coherent sense with a 
stationary earth..ummmmm................. Absolute motion can be detected, STR 
asserts that it cannot.............. but 1. it is entirely inconsistent with 
all the observations with electrodynamics... 2. it has not only never been 
shown true but has at every turn shown to be false.....



    Allen

    ----- Original Message ----
    From: Regner Trampedach <art@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 5:56:05 AM
    Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs

    Allen Daves wrote: 
      It is one kind...sure..but not the only kind.... laser gyroscopes& 
accelerometers.....are my favorites.....they need no ref external of them selvs 
to show motion any motion free fall or not in any grav field....


    Sorry, Allen, but quantum or not, a gyroscope measures  change of 
orientation
    and accelerometers measure accelerations - those accelerations can only be 
with
    respect to an inertial frame. Both a free-floating, constant (but any) 
velocity frame
    and one free-falling in a gravitational field are inertial frames. That has 
been
    confirmed by observations over and over again. Ask the crew on the 
International
    Space Station, for example.
      Eh, - and how would you measure a constant velocity (is part of your "any 
motion")
    with an accelerometer or a gyroscope, for that matter?

          - Regner


      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      To: Geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 10:21:11 AM
      Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs


      Allen D

      ref your post -- allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Wed Jan 30 18:55:19 2008

      Does this meet your definition of a quantem accelerometer?
        Quantum accelerometer -
        Title:Quantum tunneling cantilever accelerometer Document Type and 
Number:United States Patent 4638669 Link to this 
page:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4638669.html
      Paul D




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