I am not jumping around with any enthusiasm about my geometry. Bad feelings. I am certain I am missing something about what we see and how it is seen. I am worried because I do trust basic science not to make a mistake in such a simple thing, and also I do trust it not to wilfully or unilaterly practise deceit. Global warming , yes, thats a different politicoeconomic matter, but in the precise mathmatical calculations as applied to astronomy, no, such a thing is impossible. The world is literally full of amateur astronomers, some of whom just have to be honest genius's like myself. Such would never let any deception like this go undiscovered. My particular genius is not oriented toward visualising graphical illusions. I'm a bunny for magicians. Drawing geometrical projections not to scale .....could be an illusion. It is an illusion. I am going to need exact figures and angles. Just how much of a circle is observed daily of the North star.. I have it all downloaded. Please, all ignore my geometrical explosion of yesterdays happy hour till I've done some cramming. That will be after todays happy hour, tomorrow. Alcohol in daily doses delays old age.. Believe it. It gives us a second chance at childhood. Just how can they tell us for certain how far away is this polaris? How much does the atmosphere distort our measurements and observations? Two years ago on the first list Neville promoted, I found after much searching and discussions here, that this thing called parallax means so many different things to different people in the PHD class. In my basic training, it was the error caused to a reading on my analogue voltmeter, by my viewing angle , hence a back up mirror was always evident on good meters to ensure accurate readings.. Tomorrow is sunday, and is mowing grass day for Catholics in a world where the real Roman C church is no longer visible in the world. Philip. Geocentrism is based upon certainty. Science depends for existence upon uncertainty. This has nothing to do with knowing and unknowing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:04 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Steven's points Hello Stavs, Mainstream astronomy explains this with the alleged enormous distances to the stars, such that the axis does not have to reorientate itself. However, it is these enormous distances which lead to the heliocentric inability to account for motion that should occur about the ecliptic polar axis. Dad www.GeocentricUniverse.com