Hi all, Hope you all had a good Christmas and New Year. I haven't been receiving the geocentrism mails due to my paranoid antispam measures - hopefully sorted now. Neville, are you yet able to admit that your "Celestial Poles" diproof of heliocentrism is incorrect? http://www.midclyth.supanet.com/page32.htm The circle traced by Polaris daily in the sky as viewed from a fixed point on earth is due only to its angular offset from the celestial axis, not its absolute distance from earth. The amount by which the angular offset changes over the course of a year is miniscule due to the huge distance to Polaris compared to the distance from Earth to the Sun. This is basics trigonometry. Whatever your beliefs may be, in that page you misrepresent conventional science by stating it says that the "world axis constantly tilts such as to point directly towards the (arbitrary, in this scenario) north celestial pole." Whatever your opinion of me, or what I have written about you, you are still misleading people by keeping that page up. We didn't get very far discussing your "Laws of Physics" page previsouly. http://www.midclyth.supanet.com/page40.htm Perhaps we could start with the basics. What is it about your result that you find "preposterous"? Regards, Mike.