OK another question - this one applying to Survival: Has anyone been out on a long hike and a thuinderstorm come up, adn had to take shelter before getting back to the car. If this happens what is the best thing to do. Again I mentioned before, I prefer the longer cahce hides, and will probably doing a lot of the far out ones. I woudl like a little insight as where to go if a thunderstorm should rise up, I know stay away from mountain tops, and stay away from the bottom, because of floods, but I would like to know from other's experiences what they did in the past... Rockey_f_squirrell __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com