[GeoStL] Re: St Peters geocaching policy update

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Yeah, it's worth trying. I dont know if it will help or hurt geocaching in
St. Peters, but it can't get any worse than it already is, right? A few
years ago, my mom was the head of a "task force" as it were to get help from
the city to build an outdoor classroom. The only alderman that was against
it was Jerry Hollingsworth. Not to make this political or anything, he has a
major problem with providing "services" to the residents of St. Peters. So
if any residents want to talk to him about it, good luck. I'm going to
e-mail my Ward 1 aldermen to see if there's anything we can do. If I can set
up a meeting, would any St. Peters Geocachers like to attend?

~Chris



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Griffin" <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:57 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: St Peters geocaching policy update


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> I totally agree with ya... I just had a bad experience with Scouts and St.
> Peters. I can't imagine doing any better with Geocaching.
>
> As for Chris' comment earlier. Good Luck! I wish you all the best in
dealing
> with St.P. Perhaps they will listen to a few.. But, I don't think
outsiders,
> as Susan said, will make the difference. It will have to come from
> residents.
>
> Mike
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Ring" <susanmring@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:02 PM
> Subject: [GeoStL] Re: St Peters geocaching policy update
>
>
> > -
> > Mike,
> >
> > Maybe it wasn't my place to suggest that non-residents stay away from
> > getting involved. And I should make it clear that it's just my opinion
> that
> > StP has this "circle the wagons" mentality.  I have lived here for 18
> years
> > and it sure looks that way to me.  On the other hand, ANYONE who's
willing
> > to go to bat for geocaching should be applauded.
> >
> > Susan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Griffin
> > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:43 AM
> > To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [GeoStL] Re: St Peters geocaching policy update
> >
> >
> > -
> > >
> > > Susan, it was decided that to allow geocaching on city property we
will
> > need
> > >
> > > a Certificate of Insurance and issue a permit to the organization or
> user.
> > >
> > > With this information, I would recommend that you remove the caches on
> St.
> > >
> > > Peters property. I look forward to discussing this activity with you
> again
> > >
> > > when the insurance requirements can be met.
> > >
> >
> > This is just a way of saying, no thanks! They know we will never come up
> > with insurance. To expect us to cover every cacher who may or may not be
a
> > member of SLAGA is ludicrous. If they get the cache info from Navicache,
> > Geocaching.com or Whatever, they can look for this cache without any
> > coverage from SLAGA. The guy is uneducated and thinks we own caching in
> > Missouri. If someone comes in from Detroit and goes caching, we are
> suppose
> > to cover them?? Say goodbye to St. Peters caches.. I don't think St.
> Peters
> > has enough cachers to make a difference. You can write your Alderman or
> > whatever, but 7 or so households will not make even a dent in the
interest
> > level of anyone.
> >
> > Good luck, but if we don't all, residents and non residents, get
involved
> in
> > this, caching in St. Peters parks will be a thing of the past!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > > Still, the main point to me is that I pay taxes and my hobby is far
> safer
> > > than a lot of what goes on in the parks, but we're being singled out
> > because
> > > geocaching is new and takes some effort to understand.
> >
> > Taxes would be the wrong approach. It makes it sound like people have a
> > right to do whatever they want in the parks because they are tax payers.
> > Again, I just don't think they want caching in their precious parks. So
Be
> > It! If someone knows someone who can help this cause, then great,
> otherwise,
> > cache on!
> >
> > >
> > > This might sound bad, but I would also discourage anyone who is not a
SP
> > > resident from contacting the city.  SP gets pretty darn defensive
> against
> > > "outsiders" and it just wouldn't be helpful at this point.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe this is why I don't live there. I met with St. Peters parks on
some
> > scouting issues once and walked away feeling like a foreigner. We wanted
> to
> > use some of their parks for an event and they wouldn't allow it. They
were
> > asked if we could use the rec plex for Scout activities, mainly swimming
> and
> > lifesaving, and they refused. This was after we proposed several
upgrades
> to
> > their parks with Eagle scout projects. This was a while back but the
scout
> > leaders who lived there we really turned off by their responses. I don't
> > know why I would expect anything different.
> >
> >
> > > Anyway, guys, I've done about all I can do for now.  I forget who I've
> > told,
> > > but I'm taking a class this fall for the first time in 20 years.  It's
a
> > > very demanding class and also very important to the future of my
career.
> > So
> > > my meeting with any alderman is going to have to wait for quite a
while.
> > If
> > > anyone wants to pick up the crusade and run with it, that would be
> > > wonderful,  but I just don't have the mental energy or time to deal
with
> > it
> > > now.
> >
> > Thanks for trying Susan! All we can do is try!
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
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