I went to school way back in the dark ages starting college in fall 1971. I then went back to graduate school in starting in January 1981. I now teach at Austin Community College in Austin Texas. So, I have a limited view of what is being taught in the world at large and a limited view of how it has changed. I also have no good idea of how the educational system is meeting the needs of the students. At the risk of starting a huge flame war, I would like to ask you all to tell me about the courses you had/have to take in school and what they were worth to you when you got out into the working world. Also, what kind of classes do you wish you had taken. What kind of classes you wish had been required. And, what books, online resources, materials you use to fill in the gaps. Also, did you schools do anything "interesting" to aid your learning? Did they use online systems, or was it all just sit in a class and listen traditional lectures? To give a silly example, I've eliminated the use of paper in my classes. I have flexible due dates on homework and projects (why not, the computer does most of the grading). I've also eliminated in class tests. I only take roll the first couple of weeks to make sure people are coming to the right class. OTOH, I work with people who still do everything on paper, take roll every class and make attendance 10% or more of the grade. Have your instructors embraced the 21st century or are they still holding onto the 19th century? I want to hear your experience and opinions on computing education. Bob Pendleton P.S. The school I went to changed their name from "The Computer Science Department" to the "School of Computing". They were never comfortable with the use of the term "computer science" and I agree with the name change. Despite occasional slip ups I've stopped calling is computer science and started calling it simply "computing". Oh, yeah I went to the University of Utah. -- +----------------------------------------------------------- + Bob Pendleton: writer and programmer + email: Bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx + web: www.TheGrumpyProgrammer.com --------------------- To unsubscribe go to http://gameprogrammer.com/mailinglist.html