Here are some pretty cool games I've run across which use Java: Puppy Games (http://www.puppygames.net) makes "Alien Flux", plus several others, it seems, and they ALL use Java in conjunction with the LWJGL (Light-Weight Java Game Library), which binds a lot of OpenGL commnds and such into Java. "Chrome" (http://www.chromethegame.com) uses Java as its scripting language. I'm not sure HOW this is done, but they won an award for it! ^_^ And now they've got this cool engine which (I believe) has now been used in a few other commercial games. There're probably more, but these are my favorites. --Scott --------------------- To unsubscribe go to http://gameprogrammer.com/mailinglist.html