Re: [foxboro] upgrade path

  • From: "Schouten, Frits JF" <Frits.Schouten@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:20:49 +1300

That should not be a problem with us having the CPs and FBMs well within the 
1000ft range.

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From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Kinsinger, Matthew R
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2014 11:17 a.m.
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] upgrade path

I am told there were possibly some changes to the length limitations for 100 
series FBMs on twinax with the FCP280...is this true? I believe once upon a 
time the 100 series could do ~6000 feet on CP30/40, but with the FCP270/FBI100 
it was reduced to ~1000 feet?

Matt Kinsinger
mkinsinger@xxxxxxx
330-825-1208 office
330-472-1454 ppg cell


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From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Boulay, Russ
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [foxboro] upgrade path

If your timing includes the FCP270....then the 100 series fbm's will need to be 
isolated from the 200 series fbm's.
This is accomplished with an FBI100 or FBI200....so be sure that is in your 
equation.

Like Alex says if FCP280 fits your timing, then it will be handled by the ports.

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-----Original Message-----
From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Schouten, Frits JF
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [foxboro] upgrade path

So far the replies look all good.
The next hot topic for me will be moving from Unix to MS-Windows. Ummm, 
security, firewalls.
I've never felt comfortable with MS-Windows in a control environment.

Cheers,
Frits.


-----Original Message-----
From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Johnson, Alex
Sent: Wednesday, 12 February 2014 10:57 a.m.
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [foxboro] upgrade path

Frits,

Migration is a long topic. I'll see if I can get some folks in touch with you.

Re: Replacing the CP60 first with a CP270 First comment - the FCP280 will be 
released by June. I suspect you will use it.

There are a lot of good things about the CP280, but two of interest to your 
questions are that:
   * It is twice as fast as the CP270 which was twice as fast as the CP60.
   * It has four independent PIO bus ports that can run independently at either:
      + 2Mbps (to support 200 Series I/O) or
      + 268Kbps (to support 100-Series I/O).


Re: Replacing the CP60 first with a CP270 will put the fieldbus back to 268Kbps 
for the 100 series I/O. Is this an issue?

The change in baud rate is not an issue.

The CP60 queries the FCMs for FBM data. The FCM to 100-Series FBMs is a 
standard 268Kbps link so in general overall throughput should improve when you 
move to the new CP because the intermediate FCM is eliminated.

However,  the wiring change is a pain and it can be an issue if the FCMs are 
remotely located. We have solutions and wiring diagrams in the documentation, 
but that's where the pain is.


Re: There are two CP60s at 0.1BPC, one for high accuracy position control of 
sample lances and one for high density data collection. Can a CP270 comfortably 
run at 0.1BPC?

If the CP60 could do it, the CP2x0 can do it better. In fact, we can run the 
FCP280 (or FCP270) at 50ms if that would be of benefit.



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- Next Generation Systems
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From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Schouten, Frits JF
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:22 PM
To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [foxboro] upgrade path

Hello all,
Is there a right way or an absolute wrong way to do an upgrade from Version 7.x 
with a mix of 100 and 200 series I/O to Version 8.x with only 200 series I/O?
We have pretty much only one 24hr stop every two months and perhaps one 4-6hr 
stop a week, so it will be a live upgrade.

Currently I have two Version 7.x systems of which one still has a CP30 in the 
mix of CP60s with both 100 and 200 series I/O.
The other Version 7.x system has only CP60s with a mix of 100 and 200 series 
I/O.
Those two systems are linked at NodeBus level.

The CP60s talks 10Mbps to the FBMs. Replacing the CP60 first with a CP270 will 
put the fieldbus back to 268Kbps for the 100 series I/O. Is this an issue?
There are two CP60s at 0.1BPC, one for high accuracy position control of sample 
lances and one for high density data collection.
Can a CP270 comfortably run at 0.1BPC?

The CP30 can be engineered out with its I/O moved to a CP270 so, that shouldn't 
be an issue.


Any thoughts or ideas on how to skin this cat?


Regards,

Frits Schouten | Principal engineer Process Computing department New Zealand 
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