All, The correct contact for information on WASP is the North American Project Operation's Power Group. Jim Canty is the person with direct responsibility for the software, but I'm sure the Power Marketing folks and/or your account representative can get the information. With regard to alarm floods, we offer services and software to help with a alarm management study. Dave Gaertner is the correct contact and I'm sure that your account representative would be glad to get him in touch with you. Regards, Alex Johnson Invensys Process Systems Invensys Systems, Inc. 10707 Haddington Houston, TX 77043 713.722.2859 (voice) 713.722.2700 (switchboard) 713.932.0222 (fax) alex.johnson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tom.vandewater@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:04 PM To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [foxboro] Alarm horn/lights, Alarm Manager Application, Alarm Panel and Table Configuration, Alarm Conventions and Strategies on Fox IA Alan and Patrick, Sorry for the delay in responding. I was very interested in what both of you had to say but haven't had a chance to reply until today. Patrick, you said: "We use the Foxboro WASP package to drive these icons and if I read your posting correctly this might be the product enhancement you were looking for!?" Yes, this sounds almost exactly like what I am looking for. I tried searching the Foxboro CSC website for more information about "WASP", (Window Alarm Scanner Package), and found a CAR reference to an overview of the WASP package, and a User's Guide but was unable to actually find either document. Can anyone from Foxboro help me locate this information? Dick Staun, this is a sales opportunity! =20 I suspect that this is one of those, never fully commercialized applications that seem to be developed and readily available in the Netherlands or Germany but not so easy to get in the USA. It sounds like what I want. I am interested in running an instance of WASP on each of several WP51D's to split the load and segregate process alarm functions rather than having all my alarm "eggs in one basket". This global alarm object functionality, in my humble opinion, should be the direction that Foxboro moves, replacing the Annunciator and FoxPanels that tie everything to a user interface specific location. Patrick, the hierarchy you have created with your process overview graphics populated with "icons" is a great structure. It enables the operator to recognize the "Current" alarm status for all processes and equipment and make an informed decision about what process or piece of equipment is the highest priority. With a single click of the mouse, (on an icon), the tech can be at the process detail graphic where corrective action can be initiated. Patrick said: "The top 2 screen graphics are fixed (not operator changeable) and display a sort of annunciator keyboard but in a much more graphical way. With one blink of the eye, the operator has a complete overview of which section has current alarms." As I said before, your graphical process and alarm overview is a more complete and elegant replacement for the Alarm Manager tabular listing that was disjointed when used in conjunction with the FV/DM interface. You have managed to combine the FV/DM/AM functionality on one "piece of glass" in a display format that can be accessed from anywhere in your system.=20 Alan Armour said: "Currently we have a density of over 8000 installed alarms/operator at best case (all operators in the control room) and over 25000 installed alarms per operator at worst case (only one operator in the control room)and still comply with The EEMUA guideline for alarm traffic per operator. These densities can only be achieved by using advanced alarm masking techniques, and changing alarm destination for different situations is one of those techniques to reduce alarm floods." Alan, it has been my contention with our management that we have to go through an alarm evaluation for each process in order to determine which alarms, (of the thousands that exist), give "unique" and helpful information to the operators so they can begin the troubleshooting the process. "Unique" is the key word here. The reason "Alarm Avalanche/Flooding" occurs, is because there are many alarms that are very closely related to the same condition. When that condition occurs you will get ALL of those alarms. It helped me to boil this all down by asking myself the question: "What is the primary purpose of the control system? And myself said: "Controlling the Process!" The answer, although blatantly obvious, most often gets lost in the shuffle. We keep adding alarms, never asking ourselves whether or not this condition already has an alarm that tells us the process is unable to control. For me, it makes sense to start with the controllers used to control each process. If I can set all of the set points, and the controllers always maintain those set points, then we are making good product. Only when the controllers begin to deviate from set point, do I need an alarm. At that point, I need the operator to find out why the controller can't maintain set point. One deviation alarm should be enough to get the troubleshooting process started, and additional alarms related to the same condition will only distract/hamper the operators from their jobs. I go so far as saying that there is no need to alarm a pump failure if the pump flow is also controlled by a flow controller, because the flow controller will have a deviation alarm and when the operator looks at the graphic, the failed pump will be obvious. If the flow controller doesn't deviate from set point when the pump fails then I don't need the pump anyway. Evaluating your alarms in this way will insure that you minimize the number of alarms needed. Each alarm added needs to be justified and a corrective action defined for each condition. We were able to achieve, both a 70% reduction in configured alarms as well as a 70% reduction in actuated alarms when we applied this evaluation technique, and I don't think we cut enough alarms yet. =20 My goal is to: 1. Eliminate all unnecessary or redundant alarms using a structured evaluation process. 2. Manage the remaining alarms using advanced masking techniques as you described above. 3. Establish a graphical interface that makes it as easy as possible for the operators to find, evaluate, and correct operational problems. Thanks again to Patrick and Alan for their helpful and detailed response! Tom VandeWater Control System Developer/Analyst Dow Corning Corporation Carrollton, KY USA _______________________________________________________________________ This mailing list is neither sponsored nor endorsed by Invensys Process Systems (formerly The Foxboro Company). Use the info you obtain here at your own risks. 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