**** ETNI on the web http://www.etni.org.il http://www.etni.org **** Hi all. I have been reading with interest all the discussion about projects and whether to bring them in to the oral or not. Obviously there are two sides to the story. On the one hand I agree with Adele in that the kids love having someone see their project. (this is from our experience both last spring and this winter) . It also helps them talk as they can refer to it on and off. On the other hand there is the subjective problem of a tester judging a poorly done project even though s/he shouldn't . Let's face it , we all (unfortunately) judge a book by it's cover.. The oral exam has always been and probably always will be a very subjective exam. Even with all the rubrics and grading pages we are given each teacher judges differently. For instance I had a yud bet student who spoke almost fluently.. and on the oral exam he only got an 80.. Again I'm sure this was because of his unusual dress and his agressive way of expressing himself. Luckily the 'magen' I gave him helped him . (again unfortunately he was judged by his looks) This leads me to say that although many teachers are now starting to struggle with how to give a 'magen' for the oral test, it actually may be fairer this way. If a pupil for some reason has a bad day and speaks badly at his oral this magen will help him. And if on the other hand , you the teacher really do judge too hard, someone else will help him out here. And the really nice part of the 'magen' is that it gives us the teachers time to sit and talk ,one on one, with our pupils.. YES it is time consuming but in my very humble opinion, a highlight of my teaching day!! Getting to know our pupils is worthwhile for both sides. Let's not lose this opportunity. ( a tip for those who feel they have no time, is to start early in the year and take a pupil or two aside while the others are working) So even though there are numerous problems with the oral exam let's never give it up. It's such an integral part of what English is. Expressing ourselves...verbally!! And in time I think all of us will understand what is required of us ,both in preparing our students (to present their project first) and in testing the students we meet. So good luck to all of us going off to test and to our students who are being tested in the upcoming months.. Aviva ##### To send a message to the ETNI list email: etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ##### ##### Send queries and questions to: ask@xxxxxxxx #####