Hi, all with respect to the article posted by Lauren Ornstein http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-ravitch/opt-out-state-testing_b_5064455.html it sounds all very nice..... at first glance. But the article over-simplifies the reason why there are state tests to begin with. First and foremost, the present education and social systems have created a mentality among students that they are working for points on tests; knowledge is an optional extra that is nice but, especially for adolescents, usually falls behind more important things... like Facebook, chatting, etc. So, much as teachers would like to deny it, testing has become the main source of motivation for most classrooms. Both teachers and students would love to do without massive testing, but except for a handful of alternative school systems which do without testing until the last couple of years of secondary school, testing is a given until the whole system gets an overhaul. Why state testing? Yes, most teachers are dedicated, although dedication does not always mean good: you have the whole gamut, between naive beginning teachers to burned-out teachers, not to mention teachers with rather antiquated concepts of teaching. But even with good teachers, there are problems. The article referred to U.S. teaching. In most U.S. states, there are more than just two levels: state and teacher. Between the two comes department heads, principals, school directors, school boards, and counties. The infamous Kansas school board science curriculum of 2005-2007 and the Dover, Pennsylvania school board policy of 2004-2005 (leading to an interesting federal court case) are only two high-profile cases among many others. Not all school boards are like that, but enough to make us sympathetic to Mark Twain's quip "In the first place, God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards." The other levels mentioned also can be major flies in the soup. Even with good teachers, principals, and school boards, you still have the problem of the wide diversity from one teacher to another, from one school to another, from one county to another. Consider the position of a university, trade school, or employer, who is attempting to select candidates based on academic performance. Again, tests, but state-wide. In most countries there are government-regulated nation-wide school leaving exams; not in the US. [There are SAT and CAT tests (which are run by private institutes), and for a minority, the AP exams, and for even fewer, the IB exams. For some reason the critics of the state exams do not object to these exams (which are run by businesses).] Of course, this does not mean that the present tests used are good. As the article mentioned, there are a lot of poorly designed tests. That there should be improvement of these tests is obvious, and a protest against particular state tests, perhaps by such a boycott, might be a valid point. However, this article seems to object to the very idea of state testing, with the justification that education should be entirely grass roots. Just as many people would like to do without the annoying side of government such as taxes, the same people would not want to do without the beneficial sides, such as roads. Yes, state tests have their negative sides, both in general and in specific instances, but to pretend that there are no positive sides leads to a debate without much substance. Maybe MOOCs will eventually change everything? David Reid ************************************** ** Join ETNI on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/31737970668/ ** ETNI Blog and Poll http://ask-etni.blogspot.co.il/ ** Etni homepage - http://www.etni.org ** post to ETNI List - etni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** help - ask@xxxxxxxx ***************************************