[etni] Re: Fw: re: magen tests
- From: Bari Nirenberg <bnirenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ask@xxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:28:51 +0300
I think you misunderstood my point and I completely disagree with most of
this.
First of all, not all the ECB books are harder than the Bagrut. There are
some very easy unseens in some of the ECB module books and I seriously doubt
whether this is what causes discrepancies, especially since the school grade
is not based only on unseens.
Second, I don't think students refrain from downloading Bagrut exams from
the Internet because of values -- I believe it's just laziness. I WANT my
students to practice reading comprehension outside of the classroom. If I
give them a text as a quiz or exam that they've already done, I'm happy that
they've taken the time to practice and I don't mind them getting a higher
grade. I believe that all that extra practice will only HELP them when it
comes to exam time. There are so many texts out there that it would be
practically impossible for a student to do every unseen I give in advance,
but if he managed to, I'd say he'd be more than ready to take a Bagrut exam!
On a related note, in my weak class this year, I gave an "unseen" every
other week (from the practice book). On the "off" week, I went over the
text and the questions with them (without actually answering the questions)
and I gave them the entire week to review the text and try to answer the
questions at home. By the following week, the "unseen" should have been
very familiar to them. This was a HUGE confidence booster for my weak
students (I'm talking about supposed 3-pointers who are doing B this year --
some of them could barely read at the beginning of the year). All of the
students who worked with me and practiced at home are now able to do unseens
on their own because not only did they get a lot of practice, but all those
good grades made them believe in themselves.
Bari
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:59, Ask Etni <ask@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: anatnijinsky@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: magen tests
>
> With regard to Bari's response-
> Needless to say that it's a problematic point.
> On the one hand students can do the "unseens" before the test, BUT on the
> other hand the ECB books are extremely harder than the real exams. The ECB
> books don't reflect the level of the Bagrut. I believe that the best
> solution is discussing with the students about this point. Believe it or
> not, but there are many students that are aware of the possibility to
> download the exams and the answers but they still decide to be decent and
> not to do so,
> It's a question of values!!
> Former bagrut exams are the best practice. We should make the students
> realize that if they solve the unseens prior to the test, they won't be
> prepared well to the Bagrut. Maybe their Magen will be high, but their
> Bagrut will be low.
>
> I think that the gap may derive from the high level of the book comparing
> with the Bagrut
>
> Anat
>
>
> Phyllis wrote:
> Are Magen tests really necessary?
> I know of schools that have stopped giving them and just wait for the
> Bagrut.
>
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