Hi Don, Yes, I agree on the loan idea. Once we get going I think we could be looking for money / investment for a number of projects and from a number of sources. But the core eekos should be careful about where it gets money. If we can keep this relatively debt free and get agreement on loans then it will remain the stable centre of eekos internationally. If we set up each of the international agencies as limited liability companies then if any of them fail or get into legal (or political!!) trouble it will not affect eekos as a whole. Then the "projects" (enterprises?) can be all set up as limited liability companies so again, if they fail then it will not affect the core company. For example if someone in UK sets up a solar panel importing company where eekos has 40% of the shares as an investment, then if it fails, then eekos is not liable for any debts of this company. Regarding the link to the eletters. Yes, this is critical as I have a few more persons seriously interested and I think in the coming months there is going to be more persons looking at what we are doing and interested in becoming associate members. I was keen to add a section in the main "links" page of eekos site that went to your site and various others that members and potential members could use. In particular the type of article on democracy that you sent me. As well as the basic mechanical concepts such as "Goals" we could also list various conflict resolution and democratic agreement method type articles and links so that when discussions become emotional, we could refer to them (e.g. the "6 hats" of De Bono and "brainstorming techniques" type thinking). They would be on the main website so that the public can see our way of thinking as well as benefit from the articles all in the one location. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don To: eekosmembers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: [eekosmembers] Re: Money for eekos Gambia options I certainly do not disagree with you. I would only think of looking at it if you had some form of LLC that keeps the money folks out of running the enterprise. In terms of loans, I think they need to be considered obligations of the whole organization even though one person secured them. That means that all decide whether to allow a person to take the loan or not. Then the repayment of that loan must be in the budget and some amount paid on it each year. This approach is the only one I can see that is consistent with the democratic organization you are trying to build. [Remember that I use the word "organization" to refer to just the human side of the enterprise, not synonymous with "company", "firm", "enterprise" etc. They include both the mechanics and the people. ] By the way. Have I ever sent you a link to the eletters I wrote. I think if everyone reads them they will understand better where I am coming from. The also include some basic mechanics that you use in an organization [like goals].