Helen, I'm so sorry for the slip. Now to remember my name.....ah yes, it's Judy, LOL. If I had a lovely name like Helen I would probably never forget it. :) The breast collars I have are about 4 inches, with a pad attached to that. I have a cob Meadowbrook, of course , and a training cart for the horses. Neither of these vehicles is heavy to move, and my equines haven't seemed to mind pulling them. I was in TN in October at a Mennonite harness shop, and they had a heavy duty forecart with pole there for sale. That would be the only heavy cart the teams would have to pull, if I get it. I found a beautiful carriage at the Southern IN Fall auction built by a Mr. Rabar. It has an auto top, brakelights and brakes. It even has a drop in recepticle behind the seat for the car battery that runs the lights. It is also very light. However, I don't want to start young horses off in THAT. But since I've seen it, nothing else compares. Darn that champagne taste of mine! The harness comes first though. _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````