Bingo! Also, you can include Microsoft in there as well. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: James Malone To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 01:52 Subject: [ddots-l] Re: sonar x series You know, this issue has come up for years now, and honestly David Pento and dancing dots aren't the blame for the changes in Sonar. I think the people we need to put all questions to is the good foaks at cakewalk. James