[ddots-l] Re: Loud Stage
- From: "Dave Hillebrandt" <dave@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:34:38 -0400
Hi Doug, , Yes, could sell them for a hearing loss group perhaps. Well, there
is no doubt that loud music is bad for our hearing but it has been going on
long enough that I don't think it could be considered a fad really. When people
go to a concert, quite often they are going for more than just the music; its
the feeling they get with certain music. There are certainly people who do
listen to some dance music loudly to escape, and I guess it has its place too.
As a guitarist, I can tell you that some electric guitar sounds can't be made
unless the amp is a certain volume to create feedback or a type of sustain and
sometimes there is no real getting around it. Some styles of music are
naturally played quieter than others. However, I was listening to a documentery
the other day on some native African music that is so loud that it is almost
deafening when a bunch of people play morimba style instruments.
You won't have any trouble convincing me to play quietly, but rock music is
meant to be played loud, partly because many forms of it are rebellious and the
volume is all part of the feeling they want to put across. Jazz and classical,
would safely say you won't find it cranked up too loud most of the time. Have
heard some big bands that were pretty darn loud too; squealing trumpets.....
Old Louis could get pretty loud I hear.... No doubt, too much of any kind of
stimulation is not good for us but then that can be a whole new topic as
drinking isn't so great for me but I will enjoy a Crown and coke on occasion or
maybe a pint of a good dark beer..... Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Daniels
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:10 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Loud Stage
Dave, I am beginning to wonder if the loud music is just a fad, and everyone
wants to escape into the loudness, and they don't care, as long as they get to
escape their feelings, and thoughts. I don't think that there is a healthy
excuse for over stimulating the nervous system. I was a massage therapist, and
saw what over stimulation does for the nerves system, and makes the body sick.
Coca Cola, is not healthy, but we see it everywhere, let's not just except
something because it is becoming the norm. What's normal, is suspect, because
it usually means that no one is thinking about it anymore. We can say no to
loud. Let's make some tea shirts, and sell them as fund raiser. For something.
That's what I think, after my experience.
Doug Daniels.
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dave Hillebrandt
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:58 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Loud Stage
I am one of those who would get blown out by drums and have that ringing in
my ears on occasion at end of the night. I have used sonic ear plugs from time
to time and work quite nicely for that. Personally, I don't enjoy listening to
music at super loud volumes but I can tell you for sure that louder music is
much more likely to get people to get up and dance cause less inhibited.
Depending on where you're playing, the bar owners tend to like that cause more
dancing means more drinking etc. Most people who dance need help finding the
beat too so being loud enough is important for that as well. Obviously there
must be a happy middle point, but there is a reason to have the volume at a
high enough level to put the audience in the right mood. For many years I was
in a band who used no real guitar amps or bass amps on stage and had racks to
where we would just plug into the board. The sound was almost always the same
so predictable is good in this case. Definitely requires some good preamps, but
the Mesa Boogie that I used worked just fine. Only problem is, you just can't
get quite the same feedback from that as you can from a real guitar amp. Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Daniels
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 7:35 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Loud Stage
To all of us, who value our ears. Someone has to say no to loud. There is
no better group to do it, then those of us who rely on our ears for a living.
Not to mention, just getting around in the world.
Loud is not better, it just lets people not have to listen, then they don't
notice they can't hear anymore.
Let us say no to loud.
Doug Daniels.
From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 3:18 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Loud Stage
I'm not sure what it is, but why can't some of these people realise that
stage monitors are just that, to monitor, not to blast the wax from your ears.
Cheers
Darren
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
Sent: 02 May 2011 11:12
To: ddtots
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Loud Stage
Thanks so much Bill, Chris, Gordon, Dug Denis and Mike.
You're all so right, our Ears are precious. I stupidly have been allowing
myself to be caught up in the moment, saying yes to everything so not to appear
to come across like a prima donna.
I'm going to buy some of those music ear plugs. I hated being on stage not
hearing music just a wall of noise.
There is a funny little moment that happened. These guys are very serious
about there music and yet I'm just up there wishing I'd said no to joining them
as I can't hear my piano. there was one particular four bars where I decided to
play the theme music to an English sitcom called Steptoe and Son as I knew it
would fit nicely with the chord progression and who was going to hear it anyway?
Well the crowd heard it as I forgot that the house mix was perfect lol.
It's not quite throwing the TV out of the Window but it was my rebellious
streak for that night.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael C
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:47 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Loud Stage
Hey Steave, that type of mixing hasn't been done in years.
Part of beeing in a band is to work together and that means beeing able
to hear one another.
If the sound is too loud, How can they even understand what there doing,
let alone what there playing.
I've been playing in heavy metal bands, and all the engineers I spoke to
or even work with always make sure the sound is blended in the house system,
and the guys I've worked have even told band members to turn down their
volumes, as to properly control the mix.
There is of course a certain sound an amp generates to acheeve a
distorted effect, but not to the point where you can't hear your self.
When it comes to sounds in clubs the engenieer is always the one who
controls the over all blending of the sound.
You might want to get yourself a pair of music ear plugs, which will
allow you to hear certain sounds better.
From: Steve Wicketts
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 9:15 AM
To: ddtots
Subject: [ddots-l] Loud Stage
Hi all,
At the end of last night Show, I was asked to join the band (who was
topping the bill) The house mix was controlled by a sound engineer, however,
the Band's stage mix was simply their independent Guitar and bass amp levels.
My two questions are,
1: has anyone else been on a loud stage environment where it sounds like
the keyboard is in a different key to the other instruments until the levels
drop during the music, at that point you then hear the key for what it is?
2: When the stage level is so loud you can't hear the keyboards, is there
any technique that totally visually impaired musicians use to A: know your
hitting the right notes and B: keep metronomic?
I struggled last night with these particular issues, I always have a
slight Doppler effect when music is loud, I especially don't always hear the
bass notes as clear defined pitcht notes.
Steve W
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