pls remove my email address from mailing list. thanks On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:31 PM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Sorry, I was not clear. Will try again. > > I did not mean to suggest Utah was an EM reception station but > to query how NSA protected against its own apparatus emissions, > sometimes overly simplified under the rubric of TEMPEST -- an > ever shifting and refined technology. > > TEMPEST protection measures are known to be capturable and > exploitable for counter-counter-spying. Not unlike encryption and > anonymizers target their users. > > So, if NRAO is affected by its emissions and NSA has similar capabilities > then it would protect against, harvest and analyze emissions similar to > the way NRAO does, or more likely, much better. Harvesting the > harvesters is common tradecraft as with counter-spying the > counter-spies. > > However, the exquisite capabilities of NRAO-like antenna array are > not common nor accessible to the general public -- there are at least > three of these around the US and more overseas linked by super-fast > scientific networks. Presumably they have lesser capabilities than > those used by official spies, although mutual assistance is fairly > common in educational institutions as in commerce, for the same > profitable reasons, and as always, sacred cow national security. > > Reportedly a former NSA array was inherited by an educational > institution to use out-dated equiment. The equipment still useful > for NSA purposes had been removed, or so the story goes. > > It is hard to get information that is not deliberately leaked, redacted, > fed to malleable outlets for editorial obfuscation, all this is now a > major online industry amplified from the earlier analog distribution. > > Popularization of technical information is pretty well condemned > to degradation for easy and avid public consumption. As with > the latest NSA revelations, nearly all of which is recycled with > dollops of "shocking" novelty, with a few documents seasoning > the voluminous editorializing referring to lurid accounts yet to > be revealed, or not. A congressional hearing tomorrow > will feature this methodology avidly seeking eyeballs. > > Hopefully a few more of Snowden's documents will be released > unseasoned by gravy of Greenwald's gravitas, but probably only > teasing tidbits as during the past few weeks. Hang tight, books and > documentaries and movies are in the works. Along with Assange's > and Manning's emissions. > > I doubt that the Utah Data Center is a "front end" for receiving >> electromagnetic radio signals. Reception of those signals would be in >> remote locations and sent via fiber optical links to the data center to be >> stored and processed. NSA data centers do not need to be as free from radio >> interference as radio astronomy reception locations. >> >> There are hardware hacks to pick up computer keyboard signal emanations. >> Does anyone the the Maker/Hacker community have a similar hack to pick out >> digital camera signal output? Probably would be much easier to hack into >> the picture as it is transmitted/transferred by cellphone radio than to >> capture it from stray emanations in the actual process of taking photos. >> >> Given the amount of noise on almost all available radio bandwidth the >> 'spark plug' problem should be mostly insignificant when compared to other >> sources. >> >> -- >> All my email is subject to viewing by the Panopticon :: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Panopticon<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon>:: >> Except in the imaginations of the netizens there is no real secrecy or >> privacy on the Internets. The powers that be have been elevated to lofty >> positions of near omnipresence. Enjoy, adapt, and survive. >> >> >> > > >