[bookshare-discuss] Re: bookshare-discuss Digest V5 #178
- From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:17:12 -0700
U know, guys, if you read the description of the bookshare list, what
you'll find is that it says that discussion ranges from books to where
to find a good place to eat at L A X. Given that, pretty much
anything goes. If u want it to be different, then the list description
needs to be modified accordingly, & none of us posting on this has the
authority to do that--that's the purview of staff. therefore, imo,
this discussion is pretty irrelevant.
Just FYI, I'm not thrilled about all the messages either, I only
subscribed so I could deliver announcements about the writing group to
the list, & I get the digest. But the description of the list is
actually pretty clear, so if u wanna say a given post is "off topic"
then the list description needs to be revised & clarified to say what
is, in fact, "off topic".
On 6/23/08, FreeLists Mailing List Manager <ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> bookshare-discuss Digest Mon, 23 Jun 2008 Volume: 05 Issue: 178
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 2:38:25 -0400
> From: Annie <dollie2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare on facebook.
>
> OMG.
> I think that'd be a brilliant idea.
> I mean, we could reach a wealth of new people there.
> Just think of the possibilities!!
>
> XOXO
> Annie
>
> --
> Never forget, to live for today. Or it will simply become the yesterday of
> tomorrow.
>
> ---- "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> All:
> Wondering if there's a bookshare group on facebook. If not, might be another
> good way to publicize the site. . If no group exists I'm happy to make one
> and post the URL here.
>
> A. J.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Seeking A Solution
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 02:02:44 -0500
>
> Good point, and my error
> Thanks..
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chela Robles" <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:01 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Seeking A Solution
>
>
>> Actually, it is not just for those who are specifically blind, but for
>> those who also are dyslexic or others who qualify to have a struggle
>> reading print, therefore requiring the books in a digital format as I
>> understand the basic bookshare statement.
>>
>> On 6/22/08, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I don't know the old site you folks are talking about, but, any
>>> semi-literate can set up there own email list on www.freelists.org, and
>>> invite others to join.
>>>
>>> I would highly suggest that those setting up lists avoid product names
>>> like
>>> bookshare or jaws unless the discussion is specifically about that
>>> product.
>>>
>>> For example, those interested in a discussion about blind culture could
>>> set
>>> up a blind-culture-disscuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, and invite members of this
>>> list
>>> to join them.
>>>
>>> I am really disheartened by the number of off topic discussions going on
>>> on
>>> this list. It clutters up the list and offers nothing useful about books.
>>> Putting "ot" in front of a subject doesn't exonerate the author as an off
>>> topic is supposed to be a few messages where one person asks a question
>>> in
>>> the first email, and subsequent people respond with short and succinct
>>> answers.
>>>
>>> As I understand it, bookshare is all about books for the blind, and this
>>> list is about books and bookshare.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Susan" <slumpkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:00 PM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Seeking A Solution
>>>
>>>
>>>> It was something through Yahoo, I think Meka but not sure of just what!
>>>>
>>>> Susan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Meka White [mailto:mekawh@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:54 PM
>>>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Seeking A Solution
>>>>
>>>> Hi there:
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't there an email list for those who wanted to simply chat about
>>>> those
>>>> types of off-topic discussions? I know it's been brought to our
>>>> attention
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> few times but I cannot remember it. Wasn't it like bookshare-chat or
>>>> something like that?
>>>>
>>>> Meka
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: "Bookshare Discuss" <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 6:05 PM
>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Seeking A Solution
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, everyone. I'm writing because I see a situation developing and hope
>>>> we can find a solution without involving the Bookshare staff. This is
>>>> your list, and you can say what you like here. I'm mentioning this
>>>> because I see it as a problem of logistics and would like to find an
>>>> answer that works for most people. I don't think some of you are aware
>>>> of this issue and its unintended consequences.
>>>>
>>>> Bookshare has asked us to use this list for wish list requests, so many
>>>> of the Bookshare volunteers have subscribed to this list to serve the
>>>> community. Many of us enjoy the discussion about books and like the
>>>> community here. Yet in the past week, I have deleted 327 messages that
>>>> had nothing to do with books, Bookshare, or reading at all. Several
>>>> volunteers have left this list already for this reason, and that means
>>>> that they won't see your wish list requests or respond to them. Cindy
>>>> does forward many of the titles of the requests to the volunteers list,
>>>> but the reason for wanting the books is often lost so that its immediacy
>>>> is gone.
>>>>
>>>> You do have the right to say anything you like on this list. It's
>>>> original purpose was to create a place where people could talk about
>>>> books, reading, books they want to read, using reading devices, and
>>>> such. The list is only loosely moderated to give everyone a voice.
>>>> However, as the off-topic messages about things like singing
>>>> synthesizers and blindisms increase, those who use this list to scan
>>>> books for you will have to make a tough choice. They will choose between
>>>> wading through hundreds of messages to find your book requests or just
>>>> ignoring the list to get their work done. Some email programs can filter
>>>> messages so that a person only gets messages from this list with the
>>>> words wish list or request in them. That may be one solution for those
>>>> that are skilled in creating email filters. Those that don't know how to
>>>> use filters would need some tangible help getting them working.
>>>>
>>>> Do you see this as an issue worth resolving? Do you have other solutions
>>>> to offer? Is there a way to compromise? What would you do if you were in
>>>> my position?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any ideas you have to share.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Monica Willyard
>>>> Follow me on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/plumlipstick
>>>> Visit my blog at http://www.scannersguild.com
>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Chela
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>> CONTACTS!): cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxxxx
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>> E-MAIL ME BEFORE I EITHER ADD OR REJECT YOUR FACEBOOK REQUESTS!)
>> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/chelarobles (AGAIN, PLEASE E-MAIL ME
>> BEFORE YOUR REQUEST IS IETHER REJECTED OR ACCEPTED!)
>> Skype: jazzytrumpet (E-Mail ME ABOUT ADDING YOU ONTO MY SKYPE CONTACTS
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: discussion
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:37:46 -0400
>
> I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting
> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to
> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be
> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want
> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one
> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one could
> adequately serve that purpose?
> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>
> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is also my MSN address.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re: di
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:01:35 -0500
>
> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks are not
> important.
>
> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming to
> this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>
> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me suggest
> that you join the zone, an online community that has board topics which
> discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on the zone.
> It can be found at
> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>
> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>
> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
> and--even--your favorite book.
>
> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored. Plus,
> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>
> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
> cropping up here.
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>
>
>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting
>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to
>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be
>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want
>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one
>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one could
>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>
>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>
>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> This is also my MSN address.
>>
>
>
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>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:05:50 -0400
>
> I think that, if you actually reviewed the messages from the past day or
> two, the majority of those which aren't devoted to either complaining about
> or defending the anything goes policy have been about, well, books, or
> bookshare-related topics. Which, I think, tends to indicate that those
> who've been saying that the off-topic chat would die out were correct.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re:
> discussion
>
>
>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks are
>> not important.
>>
>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming to
>>
>> this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>
>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board topics
>> which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on the zone.
>> It can be found at
>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>
>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>
>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>
>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored. Plus,
>> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>
>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>> cropping up here.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>
>>
>>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting
>>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to
>>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be
>>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want
>>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one
>>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one could
>>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>>
>>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>>
>>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> This is also my MSN address.
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:14:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: discussion
>
> Now that I think about it, you're right. I post in both places when I've
> finished validating a book and upload it because people on this list might
> not be on the other list, but until the books are approved they can't get
> them anyway, so posting here is pointless. I think that's the same reason
> people post that they're submitting a book, but presumably the people on
> this list who are not on the volunteer list cannot validate them anyway, so
> there's no point.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Phyllis Stevens <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> From: Phyllis Stevens <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 12:37 AM
>> I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I
>> am
>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe
>> that getting
>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare
>> is wonderful.
>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that
>> they've
>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why
>> do I wish to
>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although
>> books may be
>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I
>> mean if we want
>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have
>> hobbies, lives
>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get
>> to know one
>> another through this list. Why create another list, when
>> this one could
>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>
>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>
>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> This is also my MSN address.No virus found in this outgoing
>> message.
>> Checked by AVG.
>> Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release
>> Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:17:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
>
> I'm sorry you feel that the recent discussions were "garbage," Bob. I found
> some edifying and some amusing, providing a lot of laughs to brighten my
> evening. Some that didn't particularly interest me or that were too long and
> I was too lazy to read i just deleted after checking out the first line or
> two.
>
> G.Cindy
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
>> Re: discussion
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:01 AM
>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted
>> woman. Looks are not
>> important.
>>
>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are
>> soon coming to
>> this list if we continue down the road of "anything
>> goes."
>>
>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of
>> thing, let me suggest
>> that you join the zone, an online community that has board
>> topics which
>> discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on
>> the zone.
>> It can be found at
>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>
>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>
>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not
>> blindness was a
>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs,
>> Braille,
>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>
>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your
>> are bored. Plus,
>> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>
>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that
>> there are
>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions
>> that keep
>> cropping up here.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phyllis Stevens"
>> <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>
>>
>> >I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever
>> before. I am
>> > personally glad to see something else discussed. I
>> believe that getting
>> > to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for
>> bookshare is wonderful.
>> > I also hate it when people post to both lists saying
>> that they've
>> > submitted thus and so book. I already read that
>> email, why do I wish to
>> > read it again? I agree that this particular list,
>> although books may be
>> > discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well.
>> I mean if we want
>> > to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have
>> hobbies, lives
>> > other than scanning or vallidating so should be able
>> to get to know one
>> > another through this list. Why create another list,
>> when this one could
>> > adequately serve that purpose?
>> >
>> > Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>> > the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>> >
>> > catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > This is also my MSN address.
>> >
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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>> Checked by AVG.
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>> Date: 6/22/2008
>> 7:52 AM
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:27:06 -0400
>
> Alright, so maybe I have too much time on my hands, but I went all the way
> back to the beginning of the "seeking a solution" thread. Not including my
> own posts (which I don't have logged), there have been 75 posts to this list
> since Monica started the thread. I think 18 of them were neither related to
> books nor debating what should or should not be considered off-topic.
> Furthermore, the majority of those were within a few hours of the OP, as
> people finished their threads. By contrast, this debate itself has, since
> the OP, run to almost twice that number of posts.
> Sorry if I'm being a bit of a jerk about this, but I think that, as systems
> which allow for freedom often do, things have corrected themselves.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re:
> discussion
>
>
>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks are
>> not important.
>>
>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming to
>>
>> this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>
>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board topics
>> which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on the zone.
>> It can be found at
>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>
>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>
>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>
>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored. Plus,
>> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>
>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>> cropping up here.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>
>>
>>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting
>>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to
>>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be
>>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want
>>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one
>>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one could
>>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>>
>>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>>
>>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> This is also my MSN address.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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>> 7:52 AM
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:38:28 -0500
>
> Yes, it may dry up for now, but if no de facto policy is agreed on it will
> raise its nasty head again. I remember several months ago there was a whole
> host of messages about dogs that seemed to last forever.
>
> Are we always going to be inundated with messages that the authors know when
> they post them are smothering all other discussion for a while. Sure it will
> die down for a short while, then, like the bubonic plague, it will re-emerge
> to spam our inboxes mercilessly once more.
>
> Face it: it isn't fair, it isn't polite, and it accomplishes nothing. Most
> of the posters are the same posters posting over and over and over (some are
> even answering their own emails, not waiting or caring whether or not others
> have an opinion on the subject. That's not a discussion, that's a rant:
> providing the posters a soap box to promote their own beliefs.
>
> In short, it's a small group of people spamming the system and driving
> legitimate book discussion lovers away.
>
> I haven't, and won't, named names, but any perusal of the offending topics
> will show it's the same people over and over and over again and again. You
> know who you are, and you should be ashamed.
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:05 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
>
>>I think that, if you actually reviewed the messages from the past day or
>>two, the majority of those which aren't devoted to either complaining about
>>
>>or defending the anything goes policy have been about, well, books, or
>>bookshare-related topics. Which, I think, tends to indicate that those
>>who've been saying that the off-topic chat would die out were correct.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
>> Re: discussion
>>
>>
>>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks are
>>> not important.
>>>
>>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming
>>> to this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>>
>>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board topics
>>>
>>> which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on the zone.
>>> It can be found at
>>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>>
>>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>>
>>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
>>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored. Plus,
>>>
>>> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>>
>>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>>> cropping up here.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>>>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting
>>>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>>>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>>>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to
>>>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be
>>>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want
>>>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>>>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one
>>>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one could
>>>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>>>
>>>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>>>
>>>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> This is also my MSN address.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:46:33 -0500
>
> Well, "garbage" may have been too harsh a description: meant only to get the
> attention of the reader. I, personally, enjoy your posts, whether on or off
> topics, but the fact is, the off topics are off topic and could be better
> discussed elsewhere.
>
> Some may criticize this topic saying it's its own proof of off-topic
> discussions, but I don't think so. We are discussing what this site should
> be for, and what, in my opinion, is wrong with the list. In that way, it
> definitely is related to bookshare.
>
> Bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:17 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
>
>> I'm sorry you feel that the recent discussions were "garbage," Bob. I
>> found some edifying and some amusing, providing a lot of laughs to
>> brighten my evening. Some that didn't particularly interest me or that
>> were too long and I was too lazy to read i just deleted after checking out
>>
>> the first line or two.
>>
>> G.Cindy
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
>>> Re: discussion
>>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:01 AM
>>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted
>>> woman. Looks are not
>>> important.
>>>
>>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are
>>> soon coming to
>>> this list if we continue down the road of "anything
>>> goes."
>>>
>>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of
>>> thing, let me suggest
>>> that you join the zone, an online community that has board
>>> topics which
>>> discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on
>>> the zone.
>>> It can be found at
>>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>>
>>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>>
>>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not
>>> blindness was a
>>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs,
>>> Braille,
>>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your
>>> are bored. Plus,
>>> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>>
>>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that
>>> there are
>>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions
>>> that keep
>>> cropping up here.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Phyllis Stevens"
>>> <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>>
>>>
>>> >I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever
>>> before. I am
>>> > personally glad to see something else discussed. I
>>> believe that getting
>>> > to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for
>>> bookshare is wonderful.
>>> > I also hate it when people post to both lists saying
>>> that they've
>>> > submitted thus and so book. I already read that
>>> email, why do I wish to
>>> > read it again? I agree that this particular list,
>>> although books may be
>>> > discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well.
>>> I mean if we want
>>> > to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have
>>> hobbies, lives
>>> > other than scanning or vallidating so should be able
>>> to get to know one
>>> > another through this list. Why create another list,
>>> when this one could
>>> > adequately serve that purpose?
>>> >
>>> > Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>> > the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>> >
>>> > catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >
>>> > This is also my MSN address.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:53:38 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Jamie Yates, CPhT" <jamieyates@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Come play a game Tuesday night!
>
> I have a new game that is called LOSER!, that is basically a box of cards
> with questions on them.
>
> If the question applies to you, you "take a letter". The letters spell the
> word loser, so for your first letter you'd have L, then O, etc. If you get
> the whole word spelled, well . . .
>
> The questions are something like this:
>
> If you are not wearing matching socks, take a loser letter.
>
> If you own an automobile or appliance that has not worked in over one
> year, take it to the dump and take a loser letter.
>
> If you have ever lied about your age on a date, take a loser letter.
>
> The questions are really funny, and it's all fun, no one seriously
> believes anyone here is a loser, smile. Well, maybe me. I can answer yes to
> way too many of the questions!
>
> BTW one of the cards is if you haven't read an entire book in the last six
> months, take a loser letter. I know no one here will get caught on that one!
>
> So if you're interested in playing, the only night I have off in a long
> time is Tuesday night, that would be Tuesday, June 24 and I probably won't
> even get up until 8 p.m. so how does 10 p.m. eastern time sound?
>
> Jamie in Michigan
> Currently Reading - Mariner's Compass by Earlene Fowler
>
> Dish Network has the lowest price for digital TV, switch today! Pricing
> starts at $29.99 per month! Free installation if you call now!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:58:28 -0500
>
> You said, "Sorry if I'm being a bit of a jerk about this, but I think that,
> as systems
> which allow for freedom often do, things have corrected themselves."
>
> I think the operative word here is "often". At some point one of these
> topics may come up that drives enough book lovers away so that there is no
> restriction on the topics posted here. I've seen several sites that once
> were good sources of information become complaint lists. All the original
> participants eventually be came discouraged and unsubscribed from the list.
> Is this what we want?
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:27 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
>
>> Alright, so maybe I have too much time on my hands, but I went all the way
>>
>> back to the beginning of the "seeking a solution" thread. Not including my
>>
>> own posts (which I don't have logged), there have been 75 posts to this
>> list since Monica started the thread. I think 18 of them were neither
>> related to books nor debating what should or should not be considered
>> off-topic. Furthermore, the majority of those were within a few hours of
>> the OP, as people finished their threads. By contrast, this debate itself
>>
>> has, since the OP, run to almost twice that number of posts.
>> Sorry if I'm being a bit of a jerk about this, but I think that, as
>> systems which allow for freedom often do, things have corrected
>> themselves.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
>> Re: discussion
>>
>>
>>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks are
>>> not important.
>>>
>>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming
>>> to this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>>
>>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board topics
>>>
>>> which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on the zone.
>>> It can be found at
>>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>>
>>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>>
>>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
>>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored. Plus,
>>>
>>> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>>
>>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>>> cropping up here.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>>>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting
>>>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>>>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>>>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to
>>>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be
>>>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want
>>>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>>>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one
>>>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one could
>>>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>>>
>>>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>>>
>>>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> This is also my MSN address.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:02:23 -0400
>
> I can't speak to previous discussions, since this is the first time I've
> seriously posted to the list. I did actually go through the recent posts on
> bookshare from the beginning of the "seeking a solution" thread, and found
> that the debate itself has had twice the number of "off-topic" posts in that
> time frame.
> Like I said, I'm new here, but it seems that the things which tie the list
> together are blindness, books, and the bookshare website where they collide.
> I think discussion is going to logically flow from these three areas, and if
> it strays away from them, will probably be drawn back by the nature of the
> list and it's participants. We've had a heavy run of "blindness" topics
> recently, for which I take partial responsibility. I for one will certainly
> limit discussion of those topics here if it bothers people so much.
>
> I'm also curious what you would and would not consider "book-related"
> topics. I distinctly remember a lot of the stuff I personally posted
> vis-a-vis politics and religion had book references and recommendations in
> it. How specifically book-related should we keep posts?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:38 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
>
>> Yes, it may dry up for now, but if no de facto policy is agreed on it will
>>
>> raise its nasty head again. I remember several months ago there was a
>> whole host of messages about dogs that seemed to last forever.
>>
>> Are we always going to be inundated with messages that the authors know
>> when they post them are smothering all other discussion for a while. Sure
>> it will die down for a short while, then, like the bubonic plague, it will
>>
>> re-emerge to spam our inboxes mercilessly once more.
>>
>> Face it: it isn't fair, it isn't polite, and it accomplishes nothing. Most
>>
>> of the posters are the same posters posting over and over and over (some
>> are even answering their own emails, not waiting or caring whether or not
>> others have an opinion on the subject. That's not a discussion, that's a
>> rant: providing the posters a soap box to promote their own beliefs.
>>
>> In short, it's a small group of people spamming the system and driving
>> legitimate book discussion lovers away.
>>
>> I haven't, and won't, named names, but any perusal of the offending topics
>>
>> will show it's the same people over and over and over again and again. You
>>
>> know who you are, and you should be ashamed.
>>
>> Bob
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:05 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>> (was Re: discussion
>>
>>
>>>I think that, if you actually reviewed the messages from the past day or
>>>two, the majority of those which aren't devoted to either complaining
>>>about or defending the anything goes policy have been about, well, books,
>>>or bookshare-related topics. Which, I think, tends to indicate that those
>>>who've been saying that the off-topic chat would die out were correct.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
>>> Re: discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks are
>>>>
>>>> not important.
>>>>
>>>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming
>>>> to this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>>>
>>>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>>>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board
>>>> topics which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on
>>>> the zone.
>>>> It can be found at
>>>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>>>
>>>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>>>
>>>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
>>>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>>>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored.
>>>> Plus, all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>>>
>>>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>>>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>>>> cropping up here.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>>>>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting
>>>>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>>>>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>>>>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish
>>>>> to
>>>>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may
>>>>> be
>>>>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we
>>>>> want
>>>>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>>>>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one
>>>>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one
>>>>> could
>>>>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>>>>
>>>>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>>>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>>>>
>>>>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> This is also my MSN address.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:06:47 -0400
>
> I definitely appreciate your caution. I think that the folks here are big
> enough bibliophiles themselves to keep this from happening, but speaking for
> myself I'll certainly make more of an effort to keep things book-related
> (which honestly won't be too difficult).
>
> Alright all; it's ridiculously late/early EST. Good night.
>
> A. J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:58 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
>
>> You said, "Sorry if I'm being a bit of a jerk about this, but I think
>> that, as systems
>> which allow for freedom often do, things have corrected themselves."
>>
>> I think the operative word here is "often". At some point one of these
>> topics may come up that drives enough book lovers away so that there is no
>>
>> restriction on the topics posted here. I've seen several sites that once
>> were good sources of information become complaint lists. All the original
>> participants eventually be came discouraged and unsubscribed from the
>> list. Is this what we want?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:27 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>> (was Re: discussion
>>
>>
>>> Alright, so maybe I have too much time on my hands, but I went all the
>>> way back to the beginning of the "seeking a solution" thread. Not
>>> including my own posts (which I don't have logged), there have been 75
>>> posts to this list since Monica started the thread. I think 18 of them
>>> were neither related to books nor debating what should or should not be
>>> considered off-topic. Furthermore, the majority of those were within a
>>> few hours of the OP, as people finished their threads. By contrast, this
>>>
>>> debate itself has, since the OP, run to almost twice that number of
>>> posts.
>>> Sorry if I'm being a bit of a jerk about this, but I think that, as
>>> systems which allow for freedom often do, things have corrected
>>> themselves.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
>>> Re: discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks are
>>>>
>>>> not important.
>>>>
>>>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming
>>>> to this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>>>
>>>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>>>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board
>>>> topics which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on
>>>> the zone.
>>>> It can be found at
>>>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>>>
>>>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>>>
>>>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
>>>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>>>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>>>
>>>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored.
>>>> Plus, all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>>>
>>>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>>>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>>>> cropping up here.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>>>>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting
>>>>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>>>>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>>>>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish
>>>>> to
>>>>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may
>>>>> be
>>>>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we
>>>>> want
>>>>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>>>>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one
>>>>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one
>>>>> could
>>>>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>>>>
>>>>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>>>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>>>>
>>>>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>> This is also my MSN address.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:25:19 -0500
>
> I can't answer your last question. That's a personal choice. However, if you
> post a book related post to an "ot" topic chances are the true book lovers
> may skip it.
>
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:02 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
>
>>I can't speak to previous discussions, since this is the first time I've
>>seriously posted to the list. I did actually go through the recent posts on
>>
>>bookshare from the beginning of the "seeking a solution" thread, and found
>>that the debate itself has had twice the number of "off-topic" posts in
>>that time frame.
>> Like I said, I'm new here, but it seems that the things which tie the list
>>
>> together are blindness, books, and the bookshare website where they
>> collide. I think discussion is going to logically flow from these three
>> areas, and if it strays away from them, will probably be drawn back by the
>>
>> nature of the list and it's participants. We've had a heavy run of
>> "blindness" topics recently, for which I take partial responsibility. I
>> for one will certainly limit discussion of those topics here if it bothers
>>
>> people so much.
>>
>> I'm also curious what you would and would not consider "book-related"
>> topics. I distinctly remember a lot of the stuff I personally posted
>> vis-a-vis politics and religion had book references and recommendations in
>>
>> it. How specifically book-related should we keep posts?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:38 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>> (was Re: discussion
>>
>>
>>> Yes, it may dry up for now, but if no de facto policy is agreed on it
>>> will raise its nasty head again. I remember several months ago there was
>>> a whole host of messages about dogs that seemed to last forever.
>>>
>>> Are we always going to be inundated with messages that the authors know
>>> when they post them are smothering all other discussion for a while. Sure
>>>
>>> it will die down for a short while, then, like the bubonic plague, it
>>> will re-emerge to spam our inboxes mercilessly once more.
>>>
>>> Face it: it isn't fair, it isn't polite, and it accomplishes nothing.
>>> Most of the posters are the same posters posting over and over and over
>>> (some are even answering their own emails, not waiting or caring whether
>>> or not others have an opinion on the subject. That's not a discussion,
>>> that's a rant: providing the posters a soap box to promote their own
>>> beliefs.
>>>
>>> In short, it's a small group of people spamming the system and driving
>>> legitimate book discussion lovers away.
>>>
>>> I haven't, and won't, named names, but any perusal of the offending
>>> topics will show it's the same people over and over and over again and
>>> again. You know who you are, and you should be ashamed.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:05 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>>> (was Re: discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think that, if you actually reviewed the messages from the past day or
>>>>two, the majority of those which aren't devoted to either complaining
>>>>about or defending the anything goes policy have been about, well, books,
>>>>
>>>>or bookshare-related topics. Which, I think, tends to indicate that those
>>>>
>>>>who've been saying that the off-topic chat would die out were correct.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
>>>>
>>>> Re: discussion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks
>>>>> are not important.
>>>>>
>>>>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming
>>>>>
>>>>> to this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>>>>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board
>>>>> topics which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on
>>>>> the zone.
>>>>> It can be found at
>>>>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
>>>>>
>>>>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>>>>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored.
>>>>> Plus, all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>>>>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>>>>> cropping up here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>>>>>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that
>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is
>>>>>> wonderful.
>>>>>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>>>>>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>>>>>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>>>>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is also my MSN address.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: ot: Other mailing lists devoted to the blind
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:28:11 -0500
>
> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/mail.html is an extensive list of blindness
> related mailing lists.
> Below is a selection of Mailing Lists which may interest you. To join any of
> them, just press Enter on the link of your choice and send them a blank
> E-Mail, or cut and paste the email address into your email program.
> Accessible Games Discussion List.
> Topic: Discusses all aspects of Accessible Games.
> Accessible_Games_Discussion-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Accessible Mart List.
> Topic: A buy and sell list.
> accessmart-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Access-UK List.
> Topic: Accessible Technology.
> access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Animals great and small.
> Topic: Talk about your animals, domestic or wild.
> animalsgreatandsmall-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Archers List.
> Topic: Chat about the Archers radio program.
> the-archers-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Association of Blind and Partially Sighted Teachers and Students Discussion
> List.
> Topic: Discussion group for Teachers and Students.
> abapstas-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> BBC 7 Listings List.
> Topic: Listings for the BBC 7 radio station.
> bbc7-listings-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Big Happy Families
> Topic: General chat list.
> Big-happy-family-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Alt.
> Topic: For visually impaired people to discuss anything alternative.
> blind-alt-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Audio List.
> Topic: Anything audio related.
> blindaudio-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Bird Watchers List.
> Topic: Bird watching, the feathered variety.
> blind_birders-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blindcast List.
> Topic: Blind Podcasting.
> blindcast-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Couples List.
> Topic: Chat list for blind couples.
> blindcouples-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Gadgets List.
> Topic: Talking gadgets.
> blindgadgets-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Gay Mens List.
> Topic: List for gay people.
> blind-gay-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Handy Man List.
> Topic: Help with Do it yourself jobs.
> blindhandyman-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Hobbyist Mailing List.
> Topic: Share your hobby with other blind people.
> blind-hobbyist-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blindo's Inn List.
> Topic: Chat in the virtual pub.
> blindo@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Kiss List.
> Topic: General chat.
> blind-kiss-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind and Married List.
> Topic: Chat about being blind and married.
> blind-married-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Positive Thinkers List.
> Topic: Positive thinking and general chat.
> Blind-positive-thinkers-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Scientists List.
> Topic: Chat about science.
> blindscientists-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Tech List.
> Topic: Discuss blind technology.
> blindtech-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Vista List.
> Topic: Blind Vista is for learning how to use Windows Vista with adaptive
> software.
> blindvista-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Webbers List.
> Topic: The Internet.
> blindwebbers-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind Windows List.
> Topic: Getting the best out of the Windows operating system.
> blind-windows-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blind-WL Weight Loss List.
> Topic: How to lose weight when you're blind.
> Blind-wl-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Blink Link List.
> Topic: Forum for blindness related topics.
> BlinkLink-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Bon Voyage Travel Discussion List.
> Topic: Chat about travelling abroad.
> bonvoyage-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Book Courier List.
> Topic: The Book Courier portable reading device.
> Bookcourier-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Braille Note List.
> Topic: The Braille Note personal Notetaker.
> braillenote-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Braille Users List.
> Topic: Braille users chat list.
> brl-users-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Calibre Books List.
> Topic: Calibre talking books.
> Calibrebooks-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Catter Chatter List.
> Topic: Talk about your kitty.
> catterchatter-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Chat Around The Clock List.
> Topic: General chat.
> chat-around-the-clock-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Chat Kingdom List.
> Topic: General chat.
> chat-kingdom-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Chat Messenger List.
> Topic: General chat.
> chat-messenger-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Deaf Blind List.
> Topic: Chat about deaf blind issues.
> deafblnd-subscribe-request@xxxxxxxxxx
>
> Deaf Blind Friends List.
> Topic: Chat list for the deaf blind.
> DeafBlindFriends-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Deaf Blind Social List.
> Topic: Discussions relating to daily events and issues for the deaf blind.
> dbsocial-subscribe-request@xxxxxxxxxx
>
> Deaf Blind Techies List.
> Topic: An informal discussion list regarding new technology for deaf blind
> people.
> dbtechies-subscribe-request@xxxxxxxxxx
>
> Deutsch Help Learning German List.
> Topic: Learn to speak German.
> deutschhelp-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Dolphin Users List.
> Topic: Dolphin screen reader products.
> dolphinusers-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Employment Issues for Blind People List.
> Topic: Employment issues relating to blindness.
> employment-blindness-issues-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Football UK List.
> Topic: Chat about football in the UK.
> football-uk-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Free Enterprise List.
> Topic: Buy, Sell, Trade, Swap.
> FreeEnterprise-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Friendship Express List.
> Topic: Making friends.
> friendship-express-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Gabble General Discussion List.
> Topic: General chat.
> gabble-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> General Access Group for the Blind and Visually Impaired List.
> Topic: Access issues relating to blindness.
> vi-genaccess-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Gold Wave List.
> Topic: Gold Wave audio editing program.
> goldwave4theblind-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Guide Dog E-Chat List.
> Topic: Chat about guide dogs.
> guide-dog-e-chat-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Help Needed List.
> Topic: Ask for help, even non computer related.
> Help-needed-list-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Jaws UK List.
> Topic: Jaws screen reader.
> jaws-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Jolliest Joke Group List.
> Topic: Share your jokes.
> jolliest-group-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Kimmys List.
> Topic: General chat.
> kimmys-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Lesbian Lounge UK List.
> Topic: Lesbian chat.
> lesbian-lounge-uk-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Lisa's Chat List.
> Topic: General chat.
> lisas-list-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Making Housework Easier List.
> Topic: Swap ideas on how to make housework easier.
> makinghouseworkeasier-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ME and Fibromyalgia Mailing List.
> Topic: Discussion forum for people with ME/CFS, Fibromyalgia, and related
> illnesses.
> me-support-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> MP3 By Attachments List.
> Topic: Ask for MP3 audio files by email attachment.
> MP3byattachment-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Music Anoraks List.
> Topic: List for music mad people. music-anoraks-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> My Reviews List.
> Topic: Reviews of products used by the visually impaired.
> my-review-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> National Library For The Blind List.
> Topic: Chat about books, writers and readers.
> Nlbbooktalk-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> National Talking Express List.
> Topic: National Talking Express Magazine.
> ntexpress-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Pakistani Blind List.
> Topic: General chat.
> pbcu-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Parents Of Visually Impaired Children List.
> Topic: Issues relating to families with blind children.
> PVIC-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Party In The Basement List.
> Topic: General chat.
> party-in-the-basement-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> PC Audio List.
> Topic: Anything related to audio and computers.
> pc-audio-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> PC Musicians List.
> Topic: Using the computer to make music.
> pc-musician-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Piano Chat List.
> Topic: General piano chat.
> piano_chat-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Piano Teachers Support List.
> Topic: Support group for blind piano teachers.
> piano_teacher_support-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Planeteers List.
> Topic: Dedicated to Captain Planet a Tv cartoon show.
> Planeteers_Group-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Recycle It List.
> Topic: Buy and sell list.
> recycle-it-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> RNIB Talking Books List.
> Topic: A forum for members of the RNIB's Talking Book Service.
> RNIBTalkingBooksArena-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Scottish Blind Golf List.
> Topic: A forum for blind golfers.
> scottishblindgolf-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Screen Magnifiers List.
> Topic: Chat about using screen magnifiers.
> Screenmagusers-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sound Forge List.
> Topic: Sound Forge sound editing program.
> sf-users-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Soundings List.
> Topic: Soundings Magazine.
> soundings-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Speaking Of Books List.
> Topic: A book discussion list.
> Speaking_Of_Books-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sugarcube Explosion UK List.
> Topic: A list for visually impaired diabetics and Diabetics who are visually
> impaired.
> sugarcube-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Talks UK List.
> Topic: Talks speech software for mobile phones.
> talks-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> The Bargain Store List.
> Topic: Buy and sell list.
> thebargainstore-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Trekker List.
> Topic: The Trekker GPS unit.
> trekker-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> UK Guide Dogs List.
> Topic: Forum for UK guide dog owners.
> uk-guide-dogs-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> UK Radio Listeners List.
> Topic: Chat about UK radio.
> uk-radio-listeners-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> UK VI Cooks List.
> Topic: Forum for blind cooks.
> UKVICooks-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> UltraCane Discussion List.
> Topic: List relating to the UltraCane.
> soundforesight-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Usher List.
> Topic: For people who have Ushers Syndrome.
> ushers-subscribe-request@ tr.wou.edu
>
> Victor Reader Stream UK List.
> Topic: UK list for the Victor Reader Stream MP3 and Daisy player.
> victorstreamuk-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Victor Reader Stream USA List.
> Topic: US list for the Victor Reader Stream MP3 and Daisy player.
> vrestream-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> VI Relationships UK List.
> Topic: Chat about blind relationships.
> vi-relationships-uk-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> VI UK Shopping List.
> Topic: Help make shopping easier when you're blind.
> vishopping-uk-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxx
>
> Visually Challenged Teachers List.
> Topic: Forum for visually impaired teachers.
> blindteachers-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Visually Impaired Womens List.
> Topic: Forum for visually impaired women.
> our-safe-haven-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> VI Exercise List.
> Topic: How to keep fit when you're blind.
> vi-exercise-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> VI UK Transport List.
> Topic: Chat about using public transport.
> vi-uk-transport-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Voice Mate List.
> Topic: The Parrot Voice Mate organiser.
> parrot-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Winamp for the Blind List.
> Topic: Forum for the Winamp audio player.
> winamp4theblind-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Win MX for the Blind List.
> Topic: Forum for the WinMX file sharing program.
> winmx4theblind-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> The following 3 links will take you to Brendan Magills website where you can
> join his lists.
> Employment and Vision Impairment Discussion Group List.
>
> Job Vacancy Advertising Noticeboard List.
>
> small Enterprise and Vision Impairment Discussion Group List.
>
> To join the Second Hand Zone, send an email to: Ibby Karbhari.
> In the Subject line put the words: "Wish to join the Second Hand Zone
> mailing list.
>
> To join the Skype Worldwide mailing list, send an email to: Ibby Karbhari.
> In the Subject line put the words: "Wish to join the Skype Worldwide mailing
> list.
>
>
> This page was last updated on May 31 2008.
>
> Bob
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
> committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is
> the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Come play a game Tuesday night!
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:31:12 -0400
>
> ooo ten's too late, but I will try to take a nap and be there!
> I am laid off, so that shouldn't be a problem.
> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>
> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is also my MSN address.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:42:30 -0400
>
> Ok Bob, you have posted three posts, about the same thing. I think we
> all know how you feel. So unsubscribe, or stop posting under this OT
> subject. You, yourself, are adding to the "irrelevent" posts.
> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>
> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is also my MSN address.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:45:35 -0400
>
> there's the fourth.
> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>
> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is also my MSN address.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Come play a game Tuesday night!
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:46:09 -0400
>
> this is not about books either, Bob.
> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>
> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is also my MSN address.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Bertha A Guerrero" <missmommymomma@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot: Other mailing lists devoted to the blind
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:48:26 -0500
>
> thank You Bob, this is great.
> Bertha
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:28 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot: Other mailing lists devoted to the blind
>
> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/mail.html is an extensive list of blindness
> related mailing lists.
> Below is a selection of Mailing Lists which may interest you. To join any
> of them, just press Enter on the link of your choice and send them a blank
> E-Mail, or cut and paste the email address into your email program.
>
> Accessible Games Discussion List.
> Topic: Discusses all aspects of Accessible Games.
> Accessible_Games_Discussion-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Accessible Mart List.
> Topic: A buy and sell list.
> accessmart-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Access-UK List.
> Topic: Accessible Technology.
> access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Animals great and small.
> Topic: Talk about your animals, domestic or wild.
> animalsgreatandsmall-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Francesca Marinaro" <poetprodigy7@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare on facebook.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:12:28 -0400
>
> Has anyone created the group yet?
> I spend way to much time on Facebook, chock it up to my career in academia.
> Anyway, if no specific person needs to do it, I'd be glad to.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Elfqueen" <elfqueen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:30:38 -0400
>
> I just have one question: how long are you guys going to argue about this
> without deciding on a compromise?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re:
> discussion
>
>
>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks are
>> not important.
>>
>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming to
>>
>> this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>
>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board topics
>> which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on the zone.
>> It can be found at
>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>
>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>
>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
>> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>
>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored. Plus,
>> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>
>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>> cropping up here.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>
>>
>>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting
>>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to
>>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be
>>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want
>>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one
>>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one could
>>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>>
>>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>>
>>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> This is also my MSN address.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG.
>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008
>> 7:52 AM
>>
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>> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the Subject line. To get a list
>> of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:30:57 -0700
> From: "Chela Robles" <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare on facebook.
>
> Ok I did it!
>
> On 6/23/08, Francesca Marinaro <poetprodigy7@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Has anyone created the group yet?
>>
>> I spend way to much time on Facebook, chock it up to my career in
>> academia.
>> Anyway, if no specific person needs to do it, I'd be glad to.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Chela
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> ME)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Jamie Yates, CPhT" <jamieyates@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Come play a game Tuesday night!
>
> Phyllis, we'll be sure to try a weekend one sometime too (the game is going
> to be hilarious I think) but my next weekend off isn't until July 12 and I
> can't wait that long to try out my new game!
>
> BTW, we played it sort of at work last night, just reading a card between
> phone calls or whatever and it only took about 5 minutes for one of us to
> get to "loser". So it's a quick game.
>
>
> Jamie in Michigan
> Currently Reading - Mariner's Compass by Earlene Fowler
>
> Dish Network has the lowest price for digital TV, switch today! Pricing
> starts at $29.99 per month! Free installation if you call now!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:53:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Jamie Yates, CPhT" <jamieyates@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Come play a game Tuesday night!
>
> Oops, I'm way behind on email and there are over 500 Bookshare messages.
>
> Are we only allowed to post book related messages now?
>
>
> Jamie in Michigan
> Currently Reading - Mariner's Compass by Earlene Fowler
>
> Dish Network has the lowest price for digital TV, switch today! Pricing
> starts at $29.99 per month! Free installation if you call now!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: lana <lana5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:00:00 -0600
>
> There is no reason to leave a list when it goes off tangent. Just skip it
> and use the delete key. We've been off like this before, but always come
> back to books. Usually, the tangents begin with a book discussion.
> As long as we keep our main focus, everything should be fine.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2008/06/23 08:58:48
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
>>
>>
>> You said, "Sorry if I'm being a bit of a jerk about this, but I think
>> that,
>> as systems
>> which allow for freedom often do, things have corrected themselves."
>>
>> I think the operative word here is "often". At some point one of these
>> topics may come up that drives enough book lovers away so that there is no
>>
>> restriction on the topics posted here. I've seen several sites that once
>> were good sources of information become complaint lists. All the original
>> participants eventually be came discouraged and unsubscribed from the
>> list.
>> Is this what we want?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:27 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>> (was
>> Re: discussion
>>
>>
>> > Alright, so maybe I have too much time on my hands, but I went all the
>> > way
>> > back to the beginning of the "seeking a solution" thread. Not including
>> > my
>> > own posts (which I don't have logged), there have been 75 posts to this
>> > list since Monica started the thread. I think 18 of them were neither
>> > related to books nor debating what should or should not be considered
>> > off-topic. Furthermore, the majority of those were within a few hours of
>> >
>> > the OP, as people finished their threads. By contrast, this debate
>> > itself
>> > has, since the OP, run to almost twice that number of posts.
>> > Sorry if I'm being a bit of a jerk about this, but I think that, as
>> > systems which allow for freedom often do, things have corrected
>> > themselves.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
>> > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
>> >
>> > Re: discussion
>> >
>> >
>> >> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks
>> >> are
>> >> not important.
>> >>
>> >> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon coming
>> >>
>> >> to this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>> >>
>> >> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>> >> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board
>> >> topics
>> >> which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on the
>> >> zone.
>> >> It can be found at
>> >> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>> >>
>> >> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>> >>
>> >> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was a
>> >>
>> >> separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>> >> and--even--your favorite book.
>> >>
>> >> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored.
>> >> Plus,
>> >> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>> >>
>> >> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>> >> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>> >> cropping up here.
>> >>
>> >> Bob
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>> >> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>> >>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that
>> >>> getting
>> >>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is
>> >>> wonderful.
>> >>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>> >>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish
>> >>> to
>> >>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may
>> >>> be
>> >>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we
>> >>> want
>> >>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>> >>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know
>> >>> one
>> >>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one
>> >>> could
>> >>> adequately serve that purpose?
>> >>>
>> >>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>> >>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>> >>>
>> >>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>
>> >>> This is also my MSN address.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> Checked by AVG.
>> >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date:
>> >> 6/22/2008
>> >> 7:52 AM
>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM
>> >
>> >
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare on facebook.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:10:50 -0400
>
> I did.
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>
> Sign up and I'll be happy to make you a group mod.
>
> A. J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Francesca Marinaro
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:12 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Bookshare on facebook.
>
>
> Has anyone created the group yet?
>
> I spend way to much time on Facebook, chock it up to my career in
> academia. Anyway, if no specific person needs to do it, I'd be glad to.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare on facebook.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:12:43 -0400
>
> Can you post the URL?
>
> A. J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chela Robles" <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:30 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Bookshare on facebook.
>
>
>> Ok I did it!
>>
>> On 6/23/08, Francesca Marinaro <poetprodigy7@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Has anyone created the group yet?
>>>
>>> I spend way to much time on Facebook, chock it up to my career in
>>> academia.
>>> Anyway, if no specific person needs to do it, I'd be glad to.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Rick Roderick" <rickrod@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: the identity of this list
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:30:54 -0400
>
> I have been reading the many posts, and some of these issues are difficult.
> First of all, I want to say to you, Bob, I think you have a legitimate
> concern, but it doesn't have to happen. Any time we have change, the danger
> of going too far is always present. The question is, can it be arrested. I
> think it can.
>
> Since this is a very loosely moderated group, I believe that we have to be
> self-moderated. I want to make it clear that I am not criticizing anyone,
> except myself in many of these things. Most mailing lists, except one-way
> or heavily moderated ones, fall victim to the same problems. So, here are
> my general guidelines, not rules, that I think would help.
>
> 1. Read all posts on a topic before replying.
>
> 2. If one has said it once, avoid reapeated onself over and over again.
>
> 3. Limit oneself to no more than five messages a day. This may involve
> consolidating messages. A variation might not to limit oneself to a number
> for messages for things dealing with books discussions.
>
> 4. Change the subject line when the subject line changes, and keep them
> reasonably short. I am guilty of this one. It is so easy to reply to a
> message without checking the subject line.
>
> I also think that a wish list list, as redundant as that sounds, might be in
> order. This would be for book requests only. There would be nothing to
> weed through.
>
> Those are my thoughts.
>
> I've enjoyed many of these off-topic discussions and would not want to see
> them completely die. However, reading through hundreds of messages can be
> very time-consuming.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: Ann Parsons <akp@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Mystery book club announcement
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:35:13 -0400
>
> Next Meeting of the Mystery Book Club
>
> The next meeting of the Friends of Bookshare Mystery Book Club will be
>
> held on Sunday July 27, 2008 at: 2:00 P.M PDT, 3:00 P.M. MDT, 4:00 P.M.
>
> CDT, 5:00 P.M. EDT and 9:00 P.M. UTC. Starting in January 2008, we
>
> began meeting on the fourth Sunday of each month, at the times listed
>
> above.
>
> We will be discussing Compulsion by Jonathan Kellerman
>
> http://www.bookshare.org/web/SingleTitle.html?submittitleid=50114
>
> It is not available on cassette, web braille or the Audio site for NLS.
>
> It is listed as being in process.
>
> We meet in the Friends Community Room, an online chat room which can be
>
> reached directly at:
>
> http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rs7867a2369e0e
>
> or, you can reach it via The Friends of Bookshare URL at:
>
> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org
>
> We use the Talkcom Web Conferencing software. If you are not familiar
>
> with it, you will need to download the small plug-in on the web page,
>
> run it, then return to the web page and sign in. Please type your name
>
> in the USerID field. You do not need a password. The Mystery Book
>
> Club welcomes all comers, Bookshare members and non-members alike. We
>
> look forward to having you share your opinions and your knowledge of
>
> mysteries with us.
>
> If you have questions or concerns, or you want to try out the software
>
> before attending the club, please do not hesitate to contact the club's
>
> facilitator, Ms. Ann K. Parsons. She can be reached via the following
>
> methods.
>
> Ann K. Parsons
> Email: akp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, akp@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Skype: Putertutor
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Come play a game Tuesday night!
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:47:27 -0400
>
> as far as I am concerned, you are allowed, but some folks have their
> panties in a wod about what the lists are for, and what we can talk
> about.
> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>
> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is also my MSN address.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:50:01 -0700
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> I have a question. Are you saying that off topic messages should
> stop altogether, or that people should show some restraint and not run on
> and on about the same off topic thread excessively? From what I know of
> your rational nature, I'm assuming it is the latter. However, I have now
> entered the fray by discussing this off topic thread, and will make this my
> last message on the subject.
>
> I agree with you that I'd like it if folks would show some
> restraint, and keep off topic discussions to a minimum, and take them
> somewhere else when they are enjoying them, but common courtesy would
> dictate that they are getting too numerous, the posts on a given topic, I
> mean.
>
>
> I don't think that any of us who are unhappy with the number of off
> topic messages are complaining that topics come up occasionally. We're just
> complaining that they go on for way too long here, when they could easily be
> taken to a different venue for discussion.
>
> You guys, the friends of bookshare does have the online community
> room. If it's empty, I think these kinds of lively discussions would be
> welcomed. It is fun to have ear to ear chats! Maybe try it?
>
> Okay, I'm done.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob [mailto:rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:47 AM
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
> Well, "garbage" may have been too harsh a description: meant only to get the
> attention of the reader. I, personally, enjoy your posts, whether on or off
> topics, but the fact is, the off topics are off topic and could be better
> discussed elsewhere.
>
> Some may criticize this topic saying it's its own proof of off-topic
> discussions, but I don't think so. We are discussing what this site should
> be for, and what, in my opinion, is wrong with the list. In that way, it
> definitely is related to bookshare.
>
> Bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:17 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
>
>> I'm sorry you feel that the recent discussions were "garbage," Bob. I
>> found some edifying and some amusing, providing a lot of laughs to
>> brighten my evening. Some that didn't particularly interest me or that
>> were too long and I was too lazy to read i just deleted after checking
>> out the first line or two.
>>
>> G.Cindy
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>>> (was
>>> Re: discussion
>>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:01 AM
>>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks
>>> are not important.
>>>
>>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon
>>> coming to this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>>
>>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board
>>> topics which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on
>>> the zone.
>>> It can be found at
>>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>>
>>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>>
>>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was
>>> a separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs,
>>> Braille, and--even--your favorite book.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored.
>>> Plus, all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>>
>>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>>> cropping up here.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Phyllis Stevens"
>>> <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>>
>>>
>>> >I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever
>>> before. I am
>>> > personally glad to see something else discussed. I
>>> believe that getting
>>> > to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for
>>> bookshare is wonderful.
>>> > I also hate it when people post to both lists saying
>>> that they've
>>> > submitted thus and so book. I already read that
>>> email, why do I wish to
>>> > read it again? I agree that this particular list,
>>> although books may be
>>> > discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well.
>>> I mean if we want
>>> > to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have
>>> hobbies, lives
>>> > other than scanning or vallidating so should be able
>>> to get to know one
>>> > another through this list. Why create another list,
>>> when this one could
>>> > adequately serve that purpose?
>>> >
>>> > Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>> > the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>> >
>>> > catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >
>>> > This is also my MSN address.
>>> >
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Come play a game Tuesday night!
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:50:01 -0700
>
> Hi Jamie,
>
> The occasional off topic message is still fime. But, as you see,
> the off topic got kind of, well, overdone.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamie Yates, CPhT [mailto:jamieyates@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:53 AM
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Come play a game Tuesday night!
>
> Oops, I'm way behind on email and there are over 500 Bookshare messages.
>
> Are we only allowed to post book related messages now?
>
>
>
> Jamie in Michigan
> Currently Reading - Mariner's Compass by Earlene Fowler
>
> Dish Network has the lowest price for digital TV, switch today! Pricing
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Come play a game Tuesday night!
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:50:01 -0700
>
> Hi Jamie!
>
> I'll be there, praying that I'm not a loser! And laughing if I am!
> What fun!
>
> Thanks for offering!
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamie Yates, CPhT [mailto:jamieyates@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:54 AM
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Bookshare Volunteers
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Come play a game Tuesday night!
>
> I have a new game that is called LOSER!, that is basically a box of cards
> with questions on them.
>
> If the question applies to you, you "take a letter". The letters spell the
> word loser, so for your first letter you'd have L, then O, etc. If you get
> the whole word spelled, well . . .
>
> The questions are something like this:
>
> If you are not wearing matching socks, take a loser letter.
>
> If you own an automobile or appliance that has not worked in over one year,
> take it to the dump and take a loser letter.
>
> If you have ever lied about your age on a date, take a loser letter.
>
> The questions are really funny, and it's all fun, no one seriously believes
> anyone here is a loser, smile. Well, maybe me. I can answer yes to way too
> many of the questions!
>
> BTW one of the cards is if you haven't read an entire book in the last six
> months, take a loser letter. I know no one here will get caught on that one!
>
> So if you're interested in playing, the only night I have off in a long time
> is Tuesday night, that would be Tuesday, June 24 and I probably won't even
> get up until 8 p.m. so how does 10 p.m. eastern time sound?
>
>
> Jamie in Michigan
> Currently Reading - Mariner's Compass by Earlene Fowler
>
> Dish Network has the lowest price for digital TV, switch today! Pricing
> starts at $29.99 per month! Free installation if you call now!
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: discussion
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:50:01 -0700
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I hate to be the stick in the mud, but there are, after all, tons
> and tons of other e-mail lists geared to blindness issues unrelated to
> books. Here is what the bookshare web site says is the purpose of this
> list.
>
> . Discussion List: Join this interactive email list for community
> suggestions, book discussions, or to talk about print access topics such as
> scanning or
> reading technology. Sign up by sending an email with "subscribe" in the
> subject line to
> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> I'm glad that folks are making friends with each other. That's
> wonderful! I've made some TERRIFIC friends through volunteering. But let's
> just enhance those friendships by taking discussions of nonbookish things
> either to private e-mail, or off-list to somewhere where long and drawn out
> discussions of other things are expected, please?
>
>
> Mayrie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phyllis Stevens [mailto:catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:38 AM
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>
> I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am personally
> glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting to know the
> comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've submitted
> thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to read it
> again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be discussed,
> should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want to discuss
> crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives other than
> scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one another through
> this list. Why create another list, when this one could adequately serve
> that purpose?
>
> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>
> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is also my MSN address.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Rick Roderick" <rickrod@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: what makes a bad book?
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:52:03 -0400
>
> I find this question very interesting.
>
> In nonfiction, I like books that are challenging but not overdone. I am
> bothered by wordiness. When I was in college, I proficiencied a class
> called Social Foundations of Educations. One book was very easy. It was
> straight-forward and interesting.
>
> The second book was by someone named Stanley. To sum it up in one sentence,
> the schools should follow the ideas of Dewey. He could have made his point
> in ten to fifteen pages. He took something like 215. Unfortunately, the
> professor liked the second book better.
>
> Another problem is with using big words where smaller words are clearer. I
> am not against using a large vocabulary, as such, but why muddy the waters
> when unnecessary.
>
> I like fiction that has three-dimensional characters. I like mysteries that
> have a human dimension to them. I prefer Sue Grafton and Janet Evanovich to
> Erle Stanley Gardner. Perry Mason seems to be all-business, which makes him
> a rather flat character.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:55:14 -0500
> From: Shannon <shannon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: In your opinion, what makes a book
>
>
> Not if you did it. LOL. You'd get the details right, at least. And
> hey, I love sci-fi. But if your main character, a spaceship piloting
> blind guy spent the whole book being right about everything, having
> sex with random space androids, and lecturing the reader about his
> political views (which coincidentally match your own), then yeah, it
> would be bad. LOL.
>
>
>
> At 12:47 AM 6/23/2008, A. J. Nolte wrote:
>>So if I write a book about blind people flying spaceships it'll be a
>>turn-off just because I think it would be amazingly wicked cool to
>>fly a spaceship? <g>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:02:39 -0400
>
> Hmm, hadn't thought about space androids... *grins*.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shannon" <shannon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:55 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
>>
>> Not if you did it. LOL. You'd get the details right, at least. And hey, I
>> love sci-fi. But if your main character, a spaceship piloting blind guy
>> spent the whole book being right about everything, having sex with random
>> space androids, and lecturing the reader about his political views (which
>> coincidentally match your own), then yeah, it would be bad. LOL.
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:47 AM 6/23/2008, A. J. Nolte wrote:
>>>So if I write a book about blind people flying spaceships it'll be a
>>>turn-off just because I think it would be amazingly wicked cool to fly a
>>>spaceship? <g>
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:05:34 -0500
> From: Shannon <shannon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: In your opinion, what makes a book
>
> See, I wouldn't classify Carey as erotica. There's a lot of sex in
> them thar pages, but mostly I think her stories are about the
> political intrigue.
>
> And since you brought up John Ringo, here is a review of one of his
> books that I saw recently and which amused me.
>
> http://hradzka.livejournal.com/194753.html
>
> Apparently John Ringo actually liked the review because it is
> mentioned on his website and the phrase, "Oh, John Ringo, no!" has
> become something of a meme on the Internet. (BTW, that review is
> probably not so much worksafe.)
>
> Shannon
>
>
> At 01:03 AM 6/23/2008, A. J. Nolte wrote:
>>The only two series I've even dabbled with that come close are the
>>Ghost series by John Ringo and the Kushiel series by Jaqueline
>>Kerry. Both of them had other plot points (intense counter-terrorism
>>for the first and a complex and moderately intriguing medieval
>>set-up for the second) which made them readible. Don't think I could
>>read books where sex was the entire point of the plot.
>>
>>Incidentally, Ringo is usually pretty good for military science
>>fiction, but the Ghost series is a bit disturbing.
>>
>>A. J.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:11:06 -0500
> From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: discussion
>
>
> Hi Mayrie,
>
> I like the tone of your message. You know how to disagree without being
> disagreeable, and that is a gift.
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:50 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: discussion
>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I hate to be the stick in the mud, but there are, after all, tons
> and tons of other e-mail lists geared to blindness issues unrelated to
> books. Here is what the bookshare web site says is the purpose of this
> list.
>
> . Discussion List: Join this interactive email list for community
> suggestions, book discussions, or to talk about print access topics such as
> scanning or
> reading technology. Sign up by sending an email with "subscribe" in the
> subject line to
> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> I'm glad that folks are making friends with each other. That's
> wonderful! I've made some TERRIFIC friends through volunteering. But let's
> just enhance those friendships by taking discussions of nonbookish things
> either to private e-mail, or off-list to somewhere where long and drawn out
> discussions of other things are expected, please?
>
>
> Mayrie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phyllis Stevens [mailto:catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:38 AM
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>
> I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am personally
> glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting to know the
> comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've submitted
> thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to read it
> again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be discussed,
> should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want to discuss
> crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives other than
> scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one another through
> this list. Why create another list, when this one could adequately serve
> that purpose?
>
> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>
> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is also my MSN address.
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to
> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "m james" <blindamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: discussion
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:14:00 -0500
>
> I am thinking that maybe Mary and Bob could use a hug...
> I dont see how people get worked up about something like this. I bet they
> never came home late or cheated at anything in their lives.
> Martin James
> The Blind Bean
> 543 Rattler Bluff
> San Antonio, Texas 78251
> www.theblindbean.com
> Phone: 210-232-3729
> Fax: 210-682-2639
> E-mail: theblindbean@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:50 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: discussion
>
>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> I hate to be the stick in the mud, but there are, after all, tons
>> and tons of other e-mail lists geared to blindness issues unrelated to
>> books. Here is what the bookshare web site says is the purpose of this
>> list.
>>
>> . Discussion List: Join this interactive email list for community
>> suggestions, book discussions, or to talk about print access topics such
>> as
>> scanning or
>> reading technology. Sign up by sending an email with "subscribe" in the
>> subject line to
>> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> I'm glad that folks are making friends with each other. That's
>> wonderful! I've made some TERRIFIC friends through volunteering. But
>> let's
>> just enhance those friendships by taking discussions of nonbookish things
>> either to private e-mail, or off-list to somewhere where long and drawn
>> out
>> discussions of other things are expected, please?
>>
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phyllis Stevens [mailto:catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:38 AM
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>
>> I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am personally
>> glad to see something else discussed. I believe that getting to know the
>> comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>> submitted
>> thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish to read it
>> again? I agree that this particular list, although books may be
>> discussed,
>> should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we want to discuss
>> crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives other than
>> scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know one another
>> through
>> this list. Why create another list, when this one could adequately serve
>> that purpose?
>>
>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>
>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> This is also my MSN address.
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to
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>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Maria Kristic" <maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Bookshare groups on Facebook
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:44:08 -0400
>
> Here are URL's to the various groups now on Facebook relating to Bookshare:
> BookShare.org (the largest so far, with 19 members):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219549606
>
> Bookshare.org (not the same group as above):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7940962650
>
> Friends of Bookshare (AJ's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>
> BookShare (Chela's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16150404302
>
> HTH,
> Maria
> ________________________________________
> Maria Kristic
> Skype: MariaKristic
> AIM: MCKristic
> E-Mail and MSN: <blocked::mailto:maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Google Talk: <blocked::mailto:Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx>
> Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx
> Yahoo Messenger: <blocked::mailto:mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx>
> mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:50:31 -0400
>
> I read it and the back-story. Very interesting.
> Actually, Ringo is less ideologically disturbing than Tom Kratman. Aside
> from Ghost, Kratman's Carnifex and Watch on the Rhine are the two most
> disturbing conservative books I've ever read (and I say this as someone who
> leans in that direction). Carnifex is actually a bit thought-provoking, but
> you have to be in a bit of a strange place to want to have your thoughts
> that provoked.
>
> Without question, the absolute best military science fiction series I've
> ever read was also a fantasy by Dave Grossman (yes the guy who wrote 'On
> Killing'. The Guns of Two-Space and sequel Two-Space war ar...fantastic.
>
> A. J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shannon" <shannon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:05 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
>> See, I wouldn't classify Carey as erotica. There's a lot of sex in them
>> thar pages, but mostly I think her stories are about the political
>> intrigue.
>>
>> And since you brought up John Ringo, here is a review of one of his books
>> that I saw recently and which amused me.
>>
>> http://hradzka.livejournal.com/194753.html
>>
>> Apparently John Ringo actually liked the review because it is mentioned on
>>
>> his website and the phrase, "Oh, John Ringo, no!" has become something of
>> a meme on the Internet. (BTW, that review is probably not so much
>> worksafe.)
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>>
>> At 01:03 AM 6/23/2008, A. J. Nolte wrote:
>>>The only two series I've even dabbled with that come close are the Ghost
>>>series by John Ringo and the Kushiel series by Jaqueline Kerry. Both of
>>>them had other plot points (intense counter-terrorism for the first and a
>>>complex and moderately intriguing medieval set-up for the second) which
>>>made them readible. Don't think I could read books where sex was the
>>>entire point of the plot.
>>>
>>>Incidentally, Ringo is usually pretty good for military science fiction,
>>>but the Ghost series is a bit disturbing.
>>>
>>>A. J.
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:54:03 -0400
>
> Thanks for this.
> A. J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maria Kristic
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:44 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
>
> Here are URL's to the various groups now on Facebook relating to
> Bookshare:
>
> BookShare.org (the largest so far, with 19 members):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219549606
>
> Bookshare.org (not the same group as above):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7940962650
>
> Friends of Bookshare (AJ's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>
> BookShare (Chela's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16150404302
>
> HTH,
> Maria
> ________________________________________
> Maria Kristic
> Skype: MariaKristic
> AIM: MCKristic
> E-Mail and MSN: maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Google Talk: Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx
> Yahoo Messenger: mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Meka White" <mekawh@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:02:17 -0700
>
> I know a lot of people who use facebook, but I was wondering if someone
> could talk about what makes that social site so wonderful?
>
> My partner in crime/bff/crazy reviewing person shannon has slowly and
> painfully been getting me involved with blogging and the like. I'll check
> out the groups but I was wondering what is the awesomeness of facebook and
> if I should jump on the social networking train.
>
> Meka
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maria Kristic" <maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:44 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
>
> Here are URL's to the various groups now on Facebook relating to Bookshare:
>
> BookShare.org (the largest so far, with 19 members):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219549606
>
> Bookshare.org (not the same group as above):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7940962650
>
> Friends of Bookshare (AJ's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>
> BookShare (Chela's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16150404302
>
> HTH,
> Maria
> ________________________________________
> Maria Kristic
> Skype: MariaKristic
> AIM: MCKristic
> E-Mail and MSN: <blocked::mailto:maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Google Talk: <blocked::mailto:Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx>
> Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx
> Yahoo Messenger: <blocked::mailto:mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx>
> mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:20:40 -0700
> From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: explorations in creative writing group summary
>
> Greetings to all:
>
> On Saturday, June 21, at 9 a.m. Pacific, noon Eastern, the
> Explorations in Creative Writing Group met in the friends of bookshare
> classroom. I wish to extend heartfelt thanks to all who came, & an
> equally heartfelt invitation to those who could not come to do so next
> Saturday.
>
> As is typical of most first meetings, some logistical matters were
> dispensed with & the members' opinions were sought on a variety of
> issues. Next, we had a discussion about the meaning of "writing what
> you know", which led to a rather interesting side conversation
> regarding the ability of congenitally blind persons to write
> believably about visual details, & techniques that might be employed
> to that end. A piece was shared by 1 of the group members & it was
> discussed in light of the lesson on "writing what you know." A
> differing opinion, e.g., that perhaps writing about what one does not
> know might prove more educational & interesting, was proffered by a
> member, quoting author David McCullough. All in all, it was an
> interesting & productive session.
>
> If you missed the first meeting, it doesn't mean you're banned forever
> lol. It's understood not everyone will be able to make every meeting.
> You're more than welcome to join us again next Saturday, 9:00 a.m.
> Pacific, noon Eastern, in the friends of Bookshare classroom:
> http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rs0f1c528bd81b
>
> One of the things that was decided was that curriculum would be shared
> once monthly & then remaining Saturdays would be devoted primarily to
> sharing of writing. We also decided not to meet officially on the 4th
> of July weekend, as many will be away, though I'll probably be up if
> anyone wants to hang out unofficially.
>
> I have previously offered to help test/troubleshoot those having
> microphone problems, that offer still stands, & text chat
> participation is always welcome.
>
> Chris Hofstader has also offered to put up a blog on his site in order
> for us to post pieces for critique outside of the writing class. He
> intends to have that up shortly. We appreciate his willingness to
> contribute toward our efforts in this way.
>
> The topics for the week are:
> 1) One stormy night
> 2) Something you threw away but wish you hadn't
> 3) A day in the life
> 4) A town
> 5) A child
> 6) Flowers
> 7) A holiday
>
> Or anything else that strikes your fancy!
> Please keep pieces to about 5 minutes in length or approximately 1000
> words. You are welcome to send your work to me at
> abletec@xxxxxxxxx
> prior to the meeting to be put into the browser, but try to have these
> by Friday night, as stuff tends to get hectic on Saturday mornings.
>
> An archive of the meeting will be posted on the site for your
> listening pleasure as soon as:
> a) I determine the procedure for getting it to Jim; &
> b) He has the time to do that.
>
> Have fun with your writing this week & hope to see you Saturday! Any
> questions may be addressed to me either on the lists or privately at:
> abletec@xxxxxxxxx
>
> --
> Change the world--1 deed at a time
> Jackie McBride
> Check out my homepage at:
> www.abletec.serverheaven.net
> & please join my fight against breast cancer
> <http://teamacs.acsevents.org/site/TR?px=1790196&pg=personal&fr_id=3489>
>
>
> --
> Change the world--1 deed at a time
> Jackie McBride
> Check out my homepage at:
> www.abletec.serverheaven.net
> & please join my fight against breast cancer
> <http://teamacs.acsevents.org/site/TR?px=1790196&pg=personal&fr_id=3489>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: what makes a bad book?
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:42:11 -0400
>
> I took a summer course in sociology once called elements of society and
> the book was six chapters long, and very redundant. one of those that
> said what he would talk about in the introduction, and if you read it
> carefully you wouldn't have to read the text. The stupid test for that
> course was 19 pages long, almost as long as the book, once you answered
> all the questions of which a lot were essay questions.
> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>
> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> This is also my MSN address.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:53:47 -0500
> From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
> Hi Maria,
>
> Who is in charge of, or who started the first two groups? It appears one
> has to sign up before seeing who is in a group.
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maria Kristic
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:44 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
>
> Here are URL's to the various groups now on Facebook relating to Bookshare:
>
> BookShare.org (the largest so far, with 19 members):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219549606
>
> Bookshare.org (not the same group as above):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7940962650
>
> Friends of Bookshare (AJ's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>
> BookShare (Chela's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16150404302
>
> HTH,
> Maria
> ________________________________________
> Maria Kristic
> Skype: MariaKristic
> AIM: MCKristic
> E-Mail and MSN: maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Google Talk: Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx
> Yahoo Messenger: mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Francesca Marinaro" <poetprodigy7@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:36:23 -0400
>
> I think what makes Facebook better than other sites like myspace is that it
> makes things so much more interactive, and to be quite honest, there are
> just a lot of ways to amuse yourself and annoy your coworkers (in a fun
> way). It's one of those things that you have to try to really understand the
> benefits, and you'll either love it or hate it. Once you start to like it
> though, it's increddibly adictive. The joke is that if you spend less than
> ten minutes on the site, you're safe; anything past ten minutes, and the
> facebook pod people take over your brain.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Meka White [mailto:mekawh@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:02 PM
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
> I know a lot of people who use facebook, but I was wondering if someone
> could talk about what makes that social site so wonderful?
>
> My partner in crime/bff/crazy reviewing person shannon has slowly and
> painfully been getting me involved with blogging and the like. I'll check
> out the groups but I was wondering what is the awesomeness of facebook and
> if I should jump on the social networking train.
>
> Meka
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Maria Kristic" <maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:44 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
>
> Here are URL's to the various groups now on Facebook relating to Bookshare:
>
> BookShare.org (the largest so far, with 19 members):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219549606
>
> Bookshare.org (not the same group as above):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7940962650
>
> Friends of Bookshare (AJ's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>
> BookShare (Chela's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16150404302
>
> HTH,
> Maria
> ________________________________________
> Maria Kristic
> Skype: MariaKristic
> AIM: MCKristic
> E-Mail and MSN: <blocked::mailto:maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Google Talk: <blocked::mailto:Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx>
> Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx
> Yahoo Messenger: <blocked::mailto:mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx>
> mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:55:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: purpose of bookshare list and also book discussion
>
> I have never seen a discussion re books and/or reading last here for
> long--and we do have book discussion groups going for those who want to
> discuss specific books at a time in various genres. And I understand that
> the chat room is always open for discussions, so perhaps those who want to
> discuss books or reading, in general or a specific book, can either set up
> another bookshare chat room or start one in the chatroom that exists.
>
> Or--another idea--one can open up a discussion via email with other
> individuals of like mind. I've been discussion books by a particular author
> and genre with a member who shares my interest offlist, and have other
> discussions on a variety of topics with a couple of other members offlist.
> One can have a discussion with many more than one person by copying the
> group. So another alternative would be to invite people who would like to
> discuss books and reading only but not in a chat room to contact you; then
> you can make up a list can email them and they ca Reply to All and the
> discussions can take place.
>
> G.Cindy
>
> ***WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE COLLECTION)IS
> AVAILABLE AT
> http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/Book_Requests.htm
> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
> http://studentpages.alma.edu/~07jmyate/book_requests.htm
>
> A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT
> http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/scanning.html
>
> Jake's site for useful links: http://www.jbrownell.com/bkslinks.html
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>> (was Re: discussion
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:38 AM
>> Yes, it may dry up for now, but if no de facto policy is
>> agreed on it will
>> raise its nasty head again. I remember several months ago
>> there was a whole
>> host of messages about dogs that seemed to last forever.
>>
>> Are we always going to be inundated with messages that the
>> authors know when
>> they post them are smothering all other discussion for a
>> while. Sure it will
>> die down for a short while, then, like the bubonic plague,
>> it will re-emerge
>> to spam our inboxes mercilessly once more.
>>
>> Face it: it isn't fair, it isn't polite, and it
>> accomplishes nothing. Most
>> of the posters are the same posters posting over and over
>> and over (some are
>> even answering their own emails, not waiting or caring
>> whether or not others
>> have an opinion on the subject. That's not a
>> discussion, that's a rant:
>> providing the posters a soap box to promote their own
>> beliefs.
>>
>> In short, it's a small group of people spamming the
>> system and driving
>> legitimate book discussion lovers away.
>>
>> I haven't, and won't, named names, but any perusal
>> of the offending topics
>> will show it's the same people over and over and over
>> again and again. You
>> know who you are, and you should be ashamed.
>>
>> Bob
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:05 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for
>> sighted woman (was
>> Re: discussion
>>
>>
>> >I think that, if you actually reviewed the messages
>> from the past day or
>> >two, the majority of those which aren't devoted to
>> either complaining about
>> >or defending the anything goes policy have been about,
>> well, books, or
>> >bookshare-related topics. Which, I think, tends to
>> indicate that those
>> >who've been saying that the off-topic chat would
>> die out were correct.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
>> > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for
>> sighted woman (was
>> > Re: discussion
>> >
>> >
>> >> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich
>> sighted woman. Looks are
>> >> not important.
>> >>
>> >> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I
>> fear are soon coming
>> >> to this list if we continue down the road of
>> "anything goes."
>> >>
>> >> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort
>> of thing, let me
>> >> suggest that you join the zone, an online
>> community that has board topics
>> >> which discuss everything from books to who people
>> hate/like on the zone.
>> >> It can be found at
>> >> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>> >>
>> >> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>> >>
>> >> I even once started a board topic asking whether
>> or not blindness was a
>> >> separate culture. There are endless discussions
>> about dogs, Braille,
>> >> and--even--your favorite book.
>> >>
>> >> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play
>> when your are bored. Plus,
>> >> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>> >>
>> >> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to
>> show that there are
>> >> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book
>> discussions that keep
>> >> cropping up here.
>> >>
>> >> Bob
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Phyllis Stevens"
>> <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>> >> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than
>> ever before. I am
>> >>> personally glad to see something else
>> discussed. I believe that getting
>> >>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer
>> for bookshare is wonderful.
>> >>> I also hate it when people post to both lists
>> saying that they've
>> >>> submitted thus and so book. I already read
>> that email, why do I wish to
>> >>> read it again? I agree that this particular
>> list, although books may be
>> >>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts
>> as well. I mean if we want
>> >>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We
>> all have hobbies, lives
>> >>> other than scanning or vallidating so should
>> be able to get to know one
>> >>> another through this list. Why create another
>> list, when this one could
>> >>> adequately serve that purpose?
>> >>>
>> >>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>> >>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>> >>>
>> >>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>
>> >>> This is also my MSN address.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:26:59 -0700
> From: "Chela Robles" <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
> Yes, you'd have to sign up in order to use facebook but let's just say
> it is very easy and the site is screen-reader friendly, and yes I
> compare both MySpace and facebook, and have come to the conclusion
> that Facebook is better than MySpace because there is not a captia
> system, especially one that automatically times you out. It is quite
> addicting and fun if I do say so myself and I've been using facebook
> since 2007.
>
> On 6/23/08, Francesca Marinaro <poetprodigy7@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I think what makes Facebook better than other sites like myspace is that
>> it
>> makes things so much more interactive, and to be quite honest, there are
>> just a lot of ways to amuse yourself and annoy your coworkers (in a fun
>> way). It's one of those things that you have to try to really understand
>> the
>> benefits, and you'll either love it or hate it. Once you start to like it
>> though, it's increddibly adictive. The joke is that if you spend less than
>> ten minutes on the site, you're safe; anything past ten minutes, and the
>> facebook pod people take over your brain.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Meka White [mailto:mekawh@xxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:02 PM
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
>>
>> I know a lot of people who use facebook, but I was wondering if someone
>> could talk about what makes that social site so wonderful?
>>
>> My partner in crime/bff/crazy reviewing person shannon has slowly and
>> painfully been getting me involved with blogging and the like. I'll check
>> out the groups but I was wondering what is the awesomeness of facebook and
>> if I should jump on the social networking train.
>>
>> Meka
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Maria Kristic" <maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:44 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Bookshare groups on Facebook
>>
>>
>> Here are URL's to the various groups now on Facebook relating to
>> Bookshare:
>>
>> BookShare.org (the largest so far, with 19 members):
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219549606
>>
>> Bookshare.org (not the same group as above):
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7940962650
>>
>> Friends of Bookshare (AJ's group):
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>>
>> BookShare (Chela's group):
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16150404302
>>
>> HTH,
>> Maria
>> ________________________________________
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>> Skype: MariaKristic
>> AIM: MCKristic
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>> maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx
>> Yahoo Messenger: <blocked::mailto:mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx>
>> mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:30:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: discussion
>
> Thanks, Mayrie. I misunderstood, then. Except for the book discussions, that
> seems to mirror the volunteer email list. I noticed at the time that there
> were a lot of unsubscriptions from this list that very little discussion of
> any kind was going on, and I couldn't figure out why people were
> unsubscribing.
>
> Perhaps, then bookshare or someone can set up a list here for general
> discussions about anything--or perhaps the criteria for this list can be
> changed--community suggestions? We are a community; maybe instead of
> community suggestions it could be changed to community discussions and book
> discussions. "Print access topics such as scanning and reading" are posted
> on the bksvol-discuss list.
>
> As far as wish list requests go, they can be posted either to the volunteer
> list or to my hifriend@xxxxxxxxx mail. I know I've repeated this info
> several times here but that's because it doesn't seem to have been noted.
> smile
>
> G.cindy
>
>> Here is what the bookshare web site says is the
>> purpose of this
>> list.
>>
>> . Discussion List: Join this interactive email list for
>> community
>> suggestions, book discussions, or to talk about print
>> access topics such as
>> scanning or
>> reading technology. Sign up by sending an email with
>> "subscribe" in the
>> subject line to
>> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> I'm glad that folks are making friends with each
>> other. That's
>> wonderful! I've made some TERRIFIC friends through
>> volunteering. But let's
>> just enhance those friendships by taking discussions of
>> nonbookish things
>> either to private e-mail, or off-list to somewhere where
>> long and drawn out
>> discussions of other things are expected, please?
>>
>>
>> Mayrie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phyllis Stevens [mailto:catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:38 AM
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>
>> I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before.
>> I am personally
>> glad to see something else discussed. I believe that
>> getting to know the
>> comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is wonderful.
>>
>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that
>> they've submitted
>> thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish
>> to read it
>> again? I agree that this particular list, although books
>> may be discussed,
>> should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we
>> want to discuss
>> crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>> other than
>> scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know
>> one another through
>> this list. Why create another list, when this one could
>> adequately serve
>> that purpose?
>>
>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>
>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> This is also my MSN address.
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to
>> bookshare-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the
>> Subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the
>> word 'help' by itself in the subject line.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "rita weyler" <ritaweyler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was Re
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:05:14 -0500
>
> They can always check a message from time to time. We were discussing
> books. It is you who started the debate all over again.
> Rita
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:25 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman (was
> Re: discussion
>
>
>>I can't answer your last question. That's a personal choice. However, if
>>you post a book related post to an "ot" topic chances are the true book
>>lovers may skip it.
>>
>> Bob
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:02 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>> (was Re: discussion
>>
>>
>>>I can't speak to previous discussions, since this is the first time I've
>>>seriously posted to the list. I did actually go through the recent posts
>>>on bookshare from the beginning of the "seeking a solution" thread, and
>>>found that the debate itself has had twice the number of "off-topic" posts
>>>
>>>in that time frame.
>>> Like I said, I'm new here, but it seems that the things which tie the
>>> list together are blindness, books, and the bookshare website where they
>>> collide. I think discussion is going to logically flow from these three
>>> areas, and if it strays away from them, will probably be drawn back by
>>> the nature of the list and it's participants. We've had a heavy run of
>>> "blindness" topics recently, for which I take partial responsibility. I
>>> for one will certainly limit discussion of those topics here if it
>>> bothers people so much.
>>>
>>> I'm also curious what you would and would not consider "book-related"
>>> topics. I distinctly remember a lot of the stuff I personally posted
>>> vis-a-vis politics and religion had book references and recommendations
>>> in it. How specifically book-related should we keep posts?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:38 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>>> (was Re: discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, it may dry up for now, but if no de facto policy is agreed on it
>>>> will raise its nasty head again. I remember several months ago there was
>>>>
>>>> a whole host of messages about dogs that seemed to last forever.
>>>>
>>>> Are we always going to be inundated with messages that the authors know
>>>> when they post them are smothering all other discussion for a while.
>>>> Sure it will die down for a short while, then, like the bubonic plague,
>>>> it will re-emerge to spam our inboxes mercilessly once more.
>>>>
>>>> Face it: it isn't fair, it isn't polite, and it accomplishes nothing.
>>>> Most of the posters are the same posters posting over and over and over
>>>> (some are even answering their own emails, not waiting or caring whether
>>>>
>>>> or not others have an opinion on the subject. That's not a discussion,
>>>> that's a rant: providing the posters a soap box to promote their own
>>>> beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> In short, it's a small group of people spamming the system and driving
>>>> legitimate book discussion lovers away.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't, and won't, named names, but any perusal of the offending
>>>> topics will show it's the same people over and over and over again and
>>>> again. You know who you are, and you should be ashamed.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:05 AM
>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>>>> (was Re: discussion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I think that, if you actually reviewed the messages from the past day or
>>>>>
>>>>>two, the majority of those which aren't devoted to either complaining
>>>>>about or defending the anything goes policy have been about, well,
>>>>>books, or bookshare-related topics. Which, I think, tends to indicate
>>>>>that those who've been saying that the off-topic chat would die out were
>>>>>
>>>>>correct.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
>>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>>>>> (was Re: discussion
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich sighted woman. Looks
>>>>>> are not important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I fear are soon
>>>>>> coming to this list if we continue down the road of "anything goes."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort of thing, let me
>>>>>> suggest that you join the zone, an online community that has board
>>>>>> topics which discuss everything from books to who people hate/like on
>>>>>> the zone.
>>>>>> It can be found at
>>>>>> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I even once started a board topic asking whether or not blindness was
>>>>>> a separate culture. There are endless discussions about dogs, Braille,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and--even--your favorite book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play when your are bored.
>>>>>> Plus, all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to show that there are
>>>>>> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book discussions that keep
>>>>>> cropping up here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Phyllis Stevens" <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than ever before. I am
>>>>>>> personally glad to see something else discussed. I believe that
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer for bookshare is
>>>>>>> wonderful.
>>>>>>> I also hate it when people post to both lists saying that they've
>>>>>>> submitted thus and so book. I already read that email, why do I wish
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> read it again? I agree that this particular list, although books may
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts as well. I mean if we
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We all have hobbies, lives
>>>>>>> other than scanning or vallidating so should be able to get to know
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> another through this list. Why create another list, when this one
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>>>>>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is also my MSN address.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Elfqueen" <elfqueen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:28:20 -0400
>
> I don't have a facebook yet, but for future reference, and since I don't
> think what's going on on this list right now is much fun at all, can we just
> be clear about what the purposes of these groups are?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maria Kristic
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:44 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
> Here are URL's to the various groups now on Facebook relating to
> Bookshare:
>
> BookShare.org (the largest so far, with 19 members):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219549606
>
> Bookshare.org (not the same group as above):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7940962650
>
> Friends of Bookshare (AJ's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>
> BookShare (Chela's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16150404302
>
> HTH,
> Maria
> ________________________________________
> Maria Kristic
> Skype: MariaKristic
> AIM: MCKristic
> E-Mail and MSN: maria6289@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Google Talk: Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx
> Yahoo Messenger: mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "solsticesinger" <solsticesinger@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Just submitted
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 17:13:14 -0500
>
> Hi, everyone.
> I have just submitted When Secrets Die by Lynn Hightower to step one. The
> book has been read through cover to cover. All pages are accounted for. Page
> breaks and chapter headings are protected. This should be an easy
> validation. The synopsis is below:
>
> Private investigator Lena Padget has been approached by a single mother with
> a stunning tale to tell. Emma Marsden, still grieving over the death of her
> infant son from an inexplicable illness, has been dealt another devastating
> blow. Her pediatrician, Theodore Tumdridge, has accused Emma of poisoning
> her son in a psychotic bid for attention. Emma wants to counter his charges
> by accusing Tundridge of keeping a shocking chamber of horrors in his
> pathology lab - all the more frightening because it is entirely legal. Lena
> agrees to take on Emma's case and uncovers other suspicious deaths under the
> doctor's care. But when a secretly taped video incriminates Emma in the most
> intimate of ways -and Emma's teenage daughter disappears -even Lena isn't
> prepared for where the truth will take her.
>
>
>
> Shannon
>
> I am only one; but still I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do
> something. And, because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do the
> something I can do.
> Everet Edward Hale
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Elfqueen" <elfqueen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: purpose of bookshare list and also book discus
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:27:06 -0400
>
> This is a good idea. And for the sake of evening out the scales, if you get
> my drift, this could apply to other topics as well. (I'm a talker, you all
> know that by now, but let us keep the peace or crash and burn, in the case
> of this list, literally.) If one topic seems to be getting out of hand on
> the list, those of us who are interested in pursuing it further can set up
> an e-mail chat, or even go into the chat rooms. For those who don't have
> microphones, there is text chat. But one way or another, this debating and
> arguing needs to stop soon because sooner or later someone is going to get
> really, really mad and not have enough self-control to either reply civilly
> or just delete the offending message. I do think it's a little ridiculous to
> insist that no discussions can be had on this list outside of books or
> bookshare, though I do see the point of those who are saying it's gotten out
> of hand. It sort of has; my inbox is a wreck and I'm going to have to clean
> out again, or I should say overhaul. Just on a personal note, this is the
> first group mailing list I've ever been a member of, and I've found it a
> much friendlier place since people started to talk a little bit more.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:55 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] purpose of bookshare list and also book
> discussions
>
>
>>I have never seen a discussion re books and/or reading last here for
>>long--and we do have book discussion groups going for those who want to
>>discuss specific books at a time in various genres. And I understand that
>>the chat room is always open for discussions, so perhaps those who want to
>>discuss books or reading, in general or a specific book, can either set up
>>another bookshare chat room or start one in the chatroom that exists.
>>
>> Or--another idea--one can open up a discussion via email with other
>> individuals of like mind. I've been discussion books by a particular
>> author and genre with a member who shares my interest offlist, and have
>> other discussions on a variety of topics with a couple of other members
>> offlist. One can have a discussion with many more than one person by
>> copying the group. So another alternative would be to invite people who
>> would like to discuss books and reading only but not in a chat room to
>> contact you; then you can make up a list can email them and they ca Reply
>> to All and the discussions can take place.
>>
>> G.Cindy
>>
>> ***WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE COLLECTION)IS
>> AVAILABLE AT
>> http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/Book_Requests.htm
>> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/
>> http://studentpages.alma.edu/~07jmyate/book_requests.htm
>>
>> A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT
>> http://people.delphiforums.com/jamiecalton/scanning.html
>>
>> Jake's site for useful links: http://www.jbrownell.com/bkslinks.html
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Bob <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for sighted woman
>>> (was Re: discussion
>>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:38 AM
>>> Yes, it may dry up for now, but if no de facto policy is
>>> agreed on it will
>>> raise its nasty head again. I remember several months ago
>>> there was a whole
>>> host of messages about dogs that seemed to last forever.
>>>
>>> Are we always going to be inundated with messages that the
>>> authors know when
>>> they post them are smothering all other discussion for a
>>> while. Sure it will
>>> die down for a short while, then, like the bubonic plague,
>>> it will re-emerge
>>> to spam our inboxes mercilessly once more.
>>>
>>> Face it: it isn't fair, it isn't polite, and it
>>> accomplishes nothing. Most
>>> of the posters are the same posters posting over and over
>>> and over (some are
>>> even answering their own emails, not waiting or caring
>>> whether or not others
>>> have an opinion on the subject. That's not a
>>> discussion, that's a rant:
>>> providing the posters a soap box to promote their own
>>> beliefs.
>>>
>>> In short, it's a small group of people spamming the
>>> system and driving
>>> legitimate book discussion lovers away.
>>>
>>> I haven't, and won't, named names, but any perusal
>>> of the offending topics
>>> will show it's the same people over and over and over
>>> again and again. You
>>> know who you are, and you should be ashamed.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:05 AM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: ot blind man looking for
>>> sighted woman (was
>>> Re: discussion
>>>
>>>
>>> >I think that, if you actually reviewed the messages
>>> from the past day or
>>> >two, the majority of those which aren't devoted to
>>> either complaining about
>>> >or defending the anything goes policy have been about,
>>> well, books, or
>>> >bookshare-related topics. Which, I think, tends to
>>> indicate that those
>>> >who've been saying that the off-topic chat would
>>> die out were correct.
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:01 AM
>>> > Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot blind man looking for
>>> sighted woman (was
>>> > Re: discussion
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Blind man with no discernible income seeks rich
>>> sighted woman. Looks are
>>> >> not important.
>>> >>
>>> >> The above paragraph is a parody of messages that I
>>> fear are soon coming
>>> >> to this list if we continue down the road of
>>> "anything goes."
>>> >>
>>> >> Is this really what we want? If you want that sort
>>> of thing, let me
>>> >> suggest that you join the zone, an online
>>> community that has board topics
>>> >> which discuss everything from books to who people
>>> hate/like on the zone.
>>> >> It can be found at
>>> >> http://www.zonebbs.com/
>>> >>
>>> >> Registration is free and open to anyone.
>>> >>
>>> >> I even once started a board topic asking whether
>>> or not blindness was a
>>> >> separate culture. There are endless discussions
>>> about dogs, Braille,
>>> >> and--even--your favorite book.
>>> >>
>>> >> Oh yes, there are dozens of games you can play
>>> when your are bored. Plus,
>>> >> all the discussions don't clog up your email.
>>> >>
>>> >> This is not an ad for the zone, it is meant to
>>> show that there are
>>> >> alternatives to all the garbage posing as book
>>> discussions that keep
>>> >> cropping up here.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bob
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Phyllis Stevens"
>>> <catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 2:37 AM
>>> >> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] discussion
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>I have read more bookshare posts lately than
>>> ever before. I am
>>> >>> personally glad to see something else
>>> discussed. I believe that getting
>>> >>> to know the comunity of folks who volunteer
>>> for bookshare is wonderful.
>>> >>> I also hate it when people post to both lists
>>> saying that they've
>>> >>> submitted thus and so book. I already read
>>> that email, why do I wish to
>>> >>> read it again? I agree that this particular
>>> list, although books may be
>>> >>> discussed, should be for all off topic posts
>>> as well. I mean if we want
>>> >>> to discuss crafts, we should be able too. We
>>> all have hobbies, lives
>>> >>> other than scanning or vallidating so should
>>> be able to get to know one
>>> >>> another through this list. Why create another
>>> list, when this one could
>>> >>> adequately serve that purpose?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Phyllis, Emmy dog, and
>>> >>> the kitties, Simon and Sarah
>>> >>>
>>> >>> catlady1949@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This is also my MSN address.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:50:08 -0400
>
> The purpose of the one I started is pretty much bookshare-related hanging
> out and networking.
> A. J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elfqueen
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:28 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
>
> I don't have a facebook yet, but for future reference, and since I don't
> think what's going on on this list right now is much fun at all, can we just
> be clear about what the purposes of these groups are?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maria Kristic
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:44 AM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
>
> Here are URL's to the various groups now on Facebook relating to
> Bookshare:
>
> BookShare.org (the largest so far, with 19 members):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219549606
>
> Bookshare.org (not the same group as above):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7940962650
>
> Friends of Bookshare (AJ's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>
> BookShare (Chela's group):
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16150404302
>
> HTH,
> Maria
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:02:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Grandma Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: purpose of bookshare list and also book discus
>
> I've written to Lisa F. to ask for a clarification--perhaps a redesignation
> of what this list should be for. I included my paragraph in reply to
> Mayrie's quote from the bookshare site, Mayrie's note and Phyllis'
> underneath it. I'll abide by what bookshare says, though I will be
> disappointed if they keep the suggested restriction. Rather than repeat my
> suggestions I'll refer people to my earlier post
>
> G.Cindy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: New pulp sci-fi bundle offered from Baen webscript
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:04:42 -0400
>
> Sci-fi fans on bookshare:
> I just saw on the Baen webscriptions website:
> www.webscription.net
> that they're releasing a huge new bundle of pulp sci-fi by Lee Bracket. For
> those of you who don't know what I mean by pulp, I've best heard it
> described as a story which grabs you by the hair at the very beginning,
> starts running at 100 miles an hour and doesn't stop until the story's
> through. From what little I've read of Bracket, this seems like a good
> description.
> Just thought I'd pass along a heads-up.
>
> A. J.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:30:30 -0700
> From: "Chela Robles" <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: ot: Other mailing lists devoted to the blind
>
> Here are two sites, which may overlap a few blind group lists:
> http://www.astridvanwoerkom.com/en/blind/lists.html
>
> hicom.net/~oedipus/blist.html - 818k
>
>
>
>
> On 6/23/08, Bertha A Guerrero <missmommymomma@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> thank You Bob, this is great.
>> Bertha
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bob
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:28 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] ot: Other mailing lists devoted to the
>> blind
>>
>>
>> http://www.whitestick.co.uk/mail.html is an extensive list of blindness
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>>
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>>
>
>
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> ME)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:34:35 -0700
> From: "Chela Robles" <cdrobles693@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
>
> Mine basically is you can talk about what's on your mind, in addition
> to talking about your fave books and your opinion on books basically
> the "OT" discussions we have been having on the bookshare discuss
> list.
>
> On 6/23/08, A. J. Nolte <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> The purpose of the one I started is pretty much bookshare-related hanging
>> out and networking.
>>
>> A. J.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elfqueen
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 5:28 PM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: Bookshare groups on Facebook
>>
>>
>> I don't have a facebook yet, but for future reference, and since I don't
>> think what's going on on this list right now is much fun at all, can we
>> just
>> be clear about what the purposes of these groups are?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Maria Kristic
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:44 AM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Bookshare groups on Facebook
>>
>>
>> Here are URL's to the various groups now on Facebook relating to
>> Bookshare:
>>
>> BookShare.org (the largest so far, with 19 members):
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2219549606
>>
>> Bookshare.org (not the same group as above):
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7940962650
>>
>> Friends of Bookshare (AJ's group):
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=18188273594
>>
>> BookShare (Chela's group):
>>
>> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16150404302
>>
>> HTH,
>> Maria
>> ________________________________________
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>> Skype: MariaKristic
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>> Google Talk: Maria.Kristic@xxxxxxxxx
>> Yahoo Messenger: mariakristic@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> ME)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Duane Iverson" <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: What makes a book bad?
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:43:45 -0500
>
> Poul starts out with a "fake" sword and sorcery book where the hero escapes
> from
> the dungeon killing guards as he goes, runs down the guards at the gate,
> steels
> a horse gallops bareback across the plain until he runs in to a petrol. He
> then
> fights his stolen horse like a fresh war horse and after killing the petrol
> rides away through the snow in nothing but his bearskin loincloth and his
> armor.
> The horse doesn't tire, (well neither does our hero) a Stolen untrain horse
> fights like the warhorse in the book of Job, and after escaping our hero
> fights
> his long ship across 500 leagues of seamonster infested ocean to rescue the
> fair
> maiden.
> Poul in the rest of his essay then discusses things about world building
> like
> How do the people eat, and so fourth.
> The first page of the essay seems to have gone missing from my copy.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:46 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: What makes a book bad?
>
>
>> What's the passage? You can't just pique our curiosity and then let it go!
>>
>> smile
>>
>> G.Cindy
>>
>> -- On Sun, 6/22/08, Duane Iverson <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Duane Iverson <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] What makes a book bad?
>>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 8:41 PM
>>> I went to my library and got Fantasy by Poul Anderson
>>> because I remembered a
>>> passage from the book which fit the discussion marvelously.
>>> The scan is not a good quality scan. I scanned it years ago
>>> using openbook and
>>> it needs a rescan.
>>> I'll try and find a copy and rescan it.
>>> sorry guys.
>>> I don't want to say my work sucks but. . .
>>> A grate book! Wait for the rescan.
>>>
>>> Sincerely Yours,
>>> Duane Iverson
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Duane Iverson" <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:46:15 -0500
>
> Did you ever see the movie Titanic, A pretty good 2 hour move pack in to
> about 3 and half hours?
> There a strong hansom guy spends the entire movie getting saved by the
> female lead.
> To bad she forgot his waterwings. The movie might have had a happier ending.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Natasha Baebler
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:51 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
> For me, the characters have to be strong. It's the characters as much as
> the plot. Oh, and I can't stand winy helpless "oh great handsome guy save my
> poor little dainty female self cuz I can't possibly do anything for myself"
> lead characters. I've put down many a book because of helpless female leads
> that drove me batty. A friend of mine calls those books TAW's - throw at
> wall. Too bad I can't do that with bookshare books though. *giggle*
>
> Natasha and Guide Dog Fossey
>
> "I want to be successful like everyone does, but through my idea of
> success. I don't just mean that I will make a lot of money and be known for
> what I do, but that I make a difference in someone's life."
> -- Megan Pointe 1985-2008
> ----
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rita weyler
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:42 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
> I don't like books with lots of bad language. A book has to grab my
> attention right away and be pretty fast paced.The book has to have a plot.
> If the book is nonfiction, it can't be dry and accademic.
> Rita
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:19 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
> We often discuss books we've read and enjoyed: and that's how it should
> be.
>
> However, I'm just curious about what makes a book not click for you.
>
> I think for me, part of the thing that makes a book not work is it's
> unbelievability factor. If the author gives his/her protagonist ancient
> powers that materialize right at the point where they are needed to enhance
> the plot's development. Kind of like the shoes that Dorthy uses to get out
> of Oz. That's usually where I throw the book down in disgust and go watch
> fox tv, or something.
>
> What's your "watch fox tv" breaking point?
>
> Bob
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
> committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is
> the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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> From: "Meka White" <mekawh@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:49:48 -0700
>
> sniffs. aww...I actually liked that movie...
>
> Never let go, Jack. Never let go!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Iverson" <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:46 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
> Did you ever see the movie Titanic, A pretty good 2 hour move pack in to
> about 3 and half hours?
> There a strong hansom guy spends the entire movie getting saved by the
> female lead.
> To bad she forgot his waterwings. The movie might have had a happier ending.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Natasha Baebler
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:51 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
> For me, the characters have to be strong. It's the characters as much as
> the plot. Oh, and I can't stand winy helpless "oh great handsome guy save my
> poor little dainty female self cuz I can't possibly do anything for myself"
> lead characters. I've put down many a book because of helpless female leads
> that drove me batty. A friend of mine calls those books TAW's - throw at
> wall. Too bad I can't do that with bookshare books though. *giggle*
>
> Natasha and Guide Dog Fossey
>
> "I want to be successful like everyone does, but through my idea of
> success. I don't just mean that I will make a lot of money and be known for
> what I do, but that I make a difference in someone's life."
> -- Megan Pointe 1985-2008
> ----
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rita weyler
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:42 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
> I don't like books with lots of bad language. A book has to grab my
> attention right away and be pretty fast paced.The book has to have a plot.
> If the book is nonfiction, it can't be dry and accademic.
> Rita
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob
> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:19 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
> We often discuss books we've read and enjoyed: and that's how it should
> be.
>
> However, I'm just curious about what makes a book not click for you.
>
> I think for me, part of the thing that makes a book not work is it's
> unbelievability factor. If the author gives his/her protagonist ancient
> powers that materialize right at the point where they are needed to enhance
> the plot's development. Kind of like the shoes that Dorthy uses to get out
> of Oz. That's usually where I throw the book down in disgust and go watch
> fox tv, or something.
>
> What's your "watch fox tv" breaking point?
>
> Bob
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
> committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is
> the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:22:02 -0400
> From:Thom Gore <tgore@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: iscussion
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to say that I have been monitoring the activity on
> this list and have found the discussions to be fascinating.
> People being what they are, sometimes things are going to get off
> topic and a little out of hand, but as A. J. said, these
> situations generally take care of themselves. I have gained some
> fascinating insights into all of you, and that gives me more of a
> reference point when you all discuss books, equipment, and other
> Bookshare-related topics. I also think that lists which limit
> themselves to very specific topics also limit the number of
> people who will join them and, thereby limit the scope of
> valuable information which will be exchanged.
>
> If the messages on this list become too numerous, I would much
> rather hit my delete key than potentially lose the information
> and exchange of ideas which I have seen expressed here. You are
> all too valuable as participants to risk losing the ideas you
> express and the information which you convey. As far as I'm
> concerned, please don't hesitate to go off topic occasionally.
> As Nicole said, this list has been the friendliest one I've ever
> been on.
>
> Thom
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:27:45 -0400
>
> The musical was so very much better...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Meka White" <mekawh@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:49 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
>> sniffs. aww...I actually liked that movie...
>>
>> Never let go, Jack. Never let go!
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Duane Iverson" <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:46 PM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>>
>>
>> Did you ever see the movie Titanic, A pretty good 2 hour move pack in to
>> about 3 and half hours?
>> There a strong hansom guy spends the entire movie getting saved by the
>> female lead.
>> To bad she forgot his waterwings. The movie might have had a happier
>> ending.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Natasha Baebler
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:51 PM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>>
>>
>> For me, the characters have to be strong. It's the characters as much as
>> the plot. Oh, and I can't stand winy helpless "oh great handsome guy save
>> my
>> poor little dainty female self cuz I can't possibly do anything for
>> myself"
>> lead characters. I've put down many a book because of helpless female
>> leads
>> that drove me batty. A friend of mine calls those books TAW's - throw at
>> wall. Too bad I can't do that with bookshare books though. *giggle*
>>
>> Natasha and Guide Dog Fossey
>>
>> "I want to be successful like everyone does, but through my idea of
>> success. I don't just mean that I will make a lot of money and be known
>> for
>> what I do, but that I make a difference in someone's life."
>> -- Megan Pointe 1985-2008
>> ----
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: rita weyler
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:42 PM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>>
>>
>> I don't like books with lots of bad language. A book has to grab my
>> attention right away and be pretty fast paced.The book has to have a
>> plot.
>> If the book is nonfiction, it can't be dry and accademic.
>> Rita
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bob
>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:19 PM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>>
>>
>> We often discuss books we've read and enjoyed: and that's how it should
>> be.
>>
>> However, I'm just curious about what makes a book not click for you.
>>
>> I think for me, part of the thing that makes a book not work is it's
>> unbelievability factor. If the author gives his/her protagonist ancient
>> powers that materialize right at the point where they are needed to
>> enhance
>> the plot's development. Kind of like the shoes that Dorthy uses to get out
>> of Oz. That's usually where I throw the book down in disgust and go watch
>> fox tv, or something.
>>
>> What's your "watch fox tv" breaking point?
>>
>> Bob
>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
>> committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is
>> the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Elfqueen" <elfqueen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:29:07 -0400
>
> There was a Titanic musical? I never saw the movie, but I have the sound
> track which is cool.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:27 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>
>
>> The musical was so very much better...
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Meka White" <mekawh@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:49 PM
>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>>
>>
>>> sniffs. aww...I actually liked that movie...
>>>
>>> Never let go, Jack. Never let go!
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Duane Iverson" <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 4:46 PM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you ever see the movie Titanic, A pretty good 2 hour move pack in to
>>> about 3 and half hours?
>>> There a strong hansom guy spends the entire movie getting saved by the
>>> female lead.
>>> To bad she forgot his waterwings. The movie might have had a happier
>>> ending.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Natasha Baebler
>>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:51 PM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> For me, the characters have to be strong. It's the characters as much as
>>> the plot. Oh, and I can't stand winy helpless "oh great handsome guy save
>>>
>>> my
>>> poor little dainty female self cuz I can't possibly do anything for
>>> myself"
>>> lead characters. I've put down many a book because of helpless female
>>> leads
>>> that drove me batty. A friend of mine calls those books TAW's - throw at
>>> wall. Too bad I can't do that with bookshare books though. *giggle*
>>>
>>> Natasha and Guide Dog Fossey
>>>
>>> "I want to be successful like everyone does, but through my idea of
>>> success. I don't just mean that I will make a lot of money and be known
>>> for
>>> what I do, but that I make a difference in someone's life."
>>> -- Megan Pointe 1985-2008
>>> ----
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: rita weyler
>>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:42 PM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Re: In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't like books with lots of bad language. A book has to grab my
>>> attention right away and be pretty fast paced.The book has to have a
>>> plot.
>>> If the book is nonfiction, it can't be dry and accademic.
>>> Rita
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Bob
>>> To: bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:19 PM
>>> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] In your opinion, what makes a book bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> We often discuss books we've read and enjoyed: and that's how it
>>> should
>>> be.
>>>
>>> However, I'm just curious about what makes a book not click for you.
>>>
>>> I think for me, part of the thing that makes a book not work is it's
>>> unbelievability factor. If the author gives his/her protagonist ancient
>>> powers that materialize right at the point where they are needed to
>>> enhance
>>> the plot's development. Kind of like the shoes that Dorthy uses to get
>>> out
>>> of Oz. That's usually where I throw the book down in disgust and go watch
>>> fox tv, or something.
>>>
>>> What's your "watch fox tv" breaking point?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
>>> committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is
>>> the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Duane Iverson" <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Blind Spaceship Pilots.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:05:19 -0500
>
> In a A. J. Nolte wrote">So if I write a book about blind people flying
> spaceships it'll be a
>>turn-off just because. . ."
> Actually If I remember there was quite a good story in Analog SF Magazine
> precisely on that theme. The authors premise was that only the blind could
> navigate through interdemensional space. I don't remember the details of
> the
> story but may0-be some Sci-
> Fi head out there knows.
>
> Sincerely Yours,
> Duane Iverson
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Blind Spaceship Pilots.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:18:09 -0400
>
> Oh no! That's exactly my premise!
> Well, scratch that book project *grin*.
> But seriously, if someone knows of the story I'd appreciate it. I know there
> was one about a blind former starship captain navigating by Spider Robinson,
> but hadn't heard about the one you mentioned.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Iverson" <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:05 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Blind Spaceship Pilots.
>
>
>> In a A. J. Nolte wrote">So if I write a book about blind people flying
>> spaceships it'll be a
>>>turn-off just because. . ."
>> Actually If I remember there was quite a good story in Analog SF Magazine
>> precisely on that theme. The authors premise was that only the blind could
>>
>> navigate through interdemensional space. I don't remember the details of
>> the story but may0-be some Sci-
>> Fi head out there knows.
>>
>> Sincerely Yours,
>> Duane Iverson
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Duane Iverson" <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Ringo review.
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:35:30 -0500
>
> Good Review. Thanks of the Paladin of Shadows series by Ringo
> I own all of them through webscription.
> I think the reviewer hits it about right.
>
> Sincerely Yours,
> Duane Iverson
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "A. J. Nolte" <a.j.nolte@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Ringo review.
> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:49:55 -0400
>
> I definitely prefer the Posleen, March Up Country or council wars series.
> And this new one with Travis Taylor is really fun. The reviewer's right
> though, something about becoming a warlord farmer in the Caucasus is oddly
> compelling.
>
> A. J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duane Iverson" <diverson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bookshare-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:35 PM
> Subject: [bookshare-discuss] Ringo review.
>
>
>> Good Review. Thanks of the Paladin of Shadows series by Ringo
>> I own all of them through webscription.
>> I think the reviewer hits it about right.
>>
>> Sincerely Yours, Duane Iverson
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank Email to
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:13:02 -0500
> From: Shannon <shannon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Ringo review.
>
>
> I haven't read the books myself but I really want to, just because I
> want to know if anything can really be that bad. I also have similar
> masochistic urges regarding John Norman's Gor books, which I have not
> looked to see if they are available on Bookshare. the only thing
> stopping me is the knowledge that I have legitimate books I should be
> reading and reviewing, and the fact that I'm not sure who would clean
> up the mess if the books made my head explode.
>
> Shannon
>
> At 09:35 PM 6/23/2008, Duane Iverson wrote:
>>Good Review. Thanks of the Paladin of Shadows series by Ringo
>>I own all of them through webscription.
>>I think the reviewer hits it about right.
>>
>>Sincerely Yours, Duane Iverson
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