[bookport] Re: bookport Digest V1 #128
- From: "ptorpey" <ptorpey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bookport@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:11:44 -0400
Keith,
I understand the markup comes that way, but I'm wondering if this is
something you might speak to RFB&D about. I think there is no need for
the article titles to be repeated twice in the original - it only makes
navigation more difficult and gives the user redundant information.
-- Pete
From: "KEITH CREASY" <KCREASY@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [bookport] Re: New Beta, Bookshare, and moving backwards
Hi.
I can explain part of what is going on. The rest I am unsure about since
= the 2004-08-21 issue is no longer on Bookshare's site.
The titles of the articles get repeated in the text. The heading text is
= there and then the first paragraph also begins with the heading text =
repeated. This is actually in the origional text from Bookshare so what
= you are hearing is actually what they are distributing.=20
There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the navigation points in
the = 2004-08-23 issue that I looked at. I did notice that because the
Book Port = was reading very quickly sometimes it would finish reading a
heading so = quickly that I would be past the sub-heading before I could
press the 6+9 = keys again. The same thing can happen going backwards as
well. This is = just a side effect of having a short heading followed by
a sub-heading = with nothing in between.
Sometimes I also noticed that a section would only have one
sub-section/art= icle in it so it the behavior can bea bit confusing.
This issue for = example has a section called "automobiles" with only
one article "autos..."= . This could make one think that the
sub-secction heading is a repeat of = the section heading when in
reality there are two headings there. I am not = sure why there are
sections with only one articl/sub-section in them.
Hope this helps.
K
Keith Creasy, Programmer
American Printing House for the Blind
502 895 2405
>>> ptorpey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 08/22/04 09:33PM >>>
I downloaded the Aug. 21 edition of the New York Times from Bookshare. I
am reading this with the new betas (BP, BPFW, and BWR) on the Bookport.
I noticed that most of the sections or article titles are repeated twice
in succession. Thus, when one uses the 6+9 keys to move to the article
"Quotation of the Day", the next press of the 6+9 keys brings you to
another occurrence of "Quotation of the Day". The contents of this
article begins after the second occurrence of the mark "quotation of the
Day". . There are two problems with this:
1. One has to press 6+9 twice to move to the next article (in most,
but not all cases). Thus, it takes twice as many clicks to move through
the newspaper.
2. If one wants to navigate backwards as the Bookport is reading,
if the reading passes the first occurrence of the marking "quotation of
the Day", and then you hit the 4+7 keys to go back a section, you will
be brought to the first occurrence of the marking "quotation of the Day"
rather than the previous article. Since the titles for the articles are
so short, they can quickly be passed if one has the Bookport reading
quickly and you'll never be able to move back to a previous article
unless you either:
a. Quickly hit the 4+7 keys twice, or
b. Stop the Bookport reading and use the 4+7 keys to move
backward.
Again, this is only an example. There seem to be many articles where
the title is repeated twice and this issue occurs. Perhaps the DAISY
markup from RFB&D is not correct? Maybe you can work with RFB&D on this
as well as the mark-up for sections so that we can use the 1+4 and 3+6
keys to move by section as you are trying to implement.
As an aside but related issue, moving backward with either the 1, 4, or
7 keys while the Bookport is reading often has this issue even with
other formats (BRF, TXT, etc.), even if no titles/words are repeated.
This isn't only an issue with the new beta and DAISY material. In some
BRF and TXT books, the only way I can move backward is to stop the
Bookport reading and magically pass over some "crack" by pressing the 1
key, and then start the Bookport riding again and try to move backward.
This happens for certain parts of ALL books/magazines (most often
downloaded from NLS web-braille or NLS magazines). It would be great if
this issue could be fixed so that one could reliably move backward while
the Bookport is reading.
-- Pete
P.S. Great that we can now move by article in this type of material!
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