People want to believe that the bad guys will be caught and punished.
So to most folks it's of no concern where those celebrating on 9/11
came from, what matters is that we have someone to focus on and to
blame. By blaming anyone, the Empire tightens its control over the
People. Trump and most of the other clones running for president, are
not demonstrating leadership qualities. Instead, they are
demonstrating their ability to turn America into a Fragmented Land
divided by lies and twisted facts.
Carl Jarvis
On 11/28/15, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Trump’s claim of 9/11 celebration in New Jersey is based on arrest of 5
‘laughing’ Israelis
US Politics
Philip Weiss on November 26, 2015 40 Comments
Trump at the Algemeiner gala, photo by Sarah Rogers
Donald Trump’s nutty/scary claim that he saw thousands of Muslims
celebrating the 9/11 attacks in Jersey City has been widely debunked in the
media, but few are pointing out the story on which Trump’s claim is likely
based: the arrest of five Israeli employees of a moving company who were
said to have watched the towers fall from Weehawken, NJ, with jovial
expressions.
Trump himself has sought to back up his claim by tweeting a passage from an
article in the Washington Post on September 18. That article said:
In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade
Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of
people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding
tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the
other side of the river.
Who was detained? Jim Galloway at AJC.com remembers that it was Israeli
employees of a moving company:
They were Israeli and Jewish – young men making asses of themselves, as some
young men are wont to do…. apparently laughing, clowning and photographing
themselves
Politico has an article that mentions the Washington Post article but
doesn’t tell you that the arrested men were Israelis; while Slate downplays
the incident as the “strange tale of the dancing Israelis” in a piece on
9/11 legends. It says that story has taken on a life of its own among
anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists.
Whether the Israelis were making asses of themselves or whether the story is
repeated by conspiracy theorists is irrelevant. But the case was not a
strange tale or a legend. The men were held by US authorities for more than
two months before they were deported. This ABC News piece months later
describes an investigation of suspicious behavior by the men:
Five men were arrested after they were seen filming the attack and
apparently celebrating it too…
The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, “We are Israeli.
We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians
are the problem.” The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron
Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.
It was widely thought that the men were spies, ABC said:
Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with
the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said… many people in the U.S.
intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working
for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to
whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose of
launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area,
particularly in the New Jersey-New York area.”…
Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a
mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, “To date, this
investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had
pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11.”
This piece published by the Forward (and republished at a WTC-truther site)
says the five men were likely Mossad and notes that they were deported to
Israel following their release.
According to one former high-ranking American intelligence official, who
asked not to be named, the FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its
investigation that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September
were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban
Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front.
After their arrest, the men were held in detention for two-and-a-half months
and were deported at the end of November, officially for visa violations.
I’ve heard about the Israeli movers’ story down through the years and never
been very interested in it, it’s in s being in a gray zone of unproveable
assertions. But the story certainly doesn’t reflect well on Israel; and what
is curious here is the media’s reticence about the Israeli movers as the
basis of Trump’s lie. The rules just don’t apply when it comes to Israel;
Israeli forces can do no wrong in the U.S. Consider: Last month the CIA
co-hosted a conference on national security and invited officials from the
blessed trinity of Britain, France and Israel. Gosh. If we had a normal
relationship with Israel we might see that they have a constitutional
problem — millions of Palestinians can’t vote for the Jewish state
government that rules their lives — that is hurting the United States across
the Middle East. We can’t. Or consider Russia’s response to Turkey’s
shoot-down of its plane. BBC reported today that Russia has already begun
cutting off the importation of Turkish foods in a semi-official protest of
the attack. I thought of Rachel Corrie and Furkan Dogan. Israeli forces
killed these charitable American citizens under highly dubious
circumstances; and there have never been consequences to Israel for its
conduct. We really have no national interest when it comes to Israel;
Israel’s interest is our interest. The failure to report the simple facts
around Trump’s lie is yet another example.
Thanks to Peter Voskamp.
Trump’s claim of 9/11 celebration in New Jersey is based on arrest of 5
‘laughing’ Israelis
US Politics
Philip Weiss on November 26, 2015 40 Comments
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Trump at the Algemeiner gala, photo by Sarah Rogers
Donald Trump’s nutty/scary claim that he saw thousands of Muslims
celebrating the 9/11 attacks in Jersey City has been widely debunked in the
media, but few are pointing out the story on which Trump’s claim is likely
based: the arrest of five Israeli employees of a moving company who were
said to have watched the towers fall from Weehawken, NJ, with jovial
expressions.
Trump himself has sought to back up his claim by tweeting a passage from an
article in the Washington Post on September 18. That article said:
In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade
Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of
people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding
tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the
other side of the river.
Who was detained? Jim Galloway at AJC.com remembers that it was Israeli
employees of a moving company:
They were Israeli and Jewish – young men making asses of themselves, as some
young men are wont to do…. apparently laughing, clowning and photographing
themselves
Politico has an article that mentions the Washington Post article but
doesn’t tell you that the arrested men were Israelis; while Slate downplays
the incident as the “strange tale of the dancing Israelis” in a piece on
9/11 legends. It says that story has taken on a life of its own among
anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists.
Whether the Israelis were making asses of themselves or whether the story is
repeated by conspiracy theorists is irrelevant. But the case was not a
strange tale or a legend. The men were held by US authorities for more than
two months before they were deported. This ABC News piece months later
describes an investigation of suspicious behavior by the men:
Five men were arrested after they were seen filming the attack and
apparently celebrating it too…
The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, “We are Israeli.
We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians
are the problem.” The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron
Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.
It was widely thought that the men were spies, ABC said:
Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with
the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said… many people in the U.S.
intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working
for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to
whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose of
launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area,
particularly in the New Jersey-New York area.”…
Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a
mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, “To date, this
investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had
pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11.”
This piece published by the Forward (and republished at a WTC-truther site)
says the five men were likely Mossad and notes that they were deported to
Israel following their release.
According to one former high-ranking American intelligence official, who
asked not to be named, the FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its
investigation that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September
were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban
Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front.
After their arrest, the men were held in detention for two-and-a-half months
and were deported at the end of November, officially for visa violations.
I’ve heard about the Israeli movers’ story down through the years and never
been very interested in it, it’s in s being in a gray zone of unproveable
assertions. But the story certainly doesn’t reflect well on Israel; and what
is curious here is the media’s reticence about the Israeli movers as the
basis of Trump’s lie. The rules just don’t apply when it comes to Israel;
Israeli forces can do no wrong in the U.S. Consider: Last month the CIA
co-hosted a conference on national security and invited officials from the
blessed trinity of Britain, France and Israel. Gosh. If we had a normal
relationship with Israel we might see that they have a constitutional
problem — millions of Palestinians can’t vote for the Jewish state
government that rules their lives — that is hurting the United States across
the Middle East. We can’t. Or consider Russia’s response to Turkey’s
shoot-down of its plane. BBC reported today that Russia has already begun
cutting off the importation of Turkish foods in a semi-official protest of
the attack. I thought of Rachel Corrie and Furkan Dogan. Israeli forces
killed these charitable American citizens under highly dubious
circumstances; and there have never been consequences to Israel for its
conduct. We really have no national interest when it comes to Israel;
Israel’s interest is our interest. The failure to report the simple facts
around Trump’s lie is yet another example.
Thanks to Peter Voskamp.
