[blind-democracy] Re: Trigger Happy: Will Turkey's Downing of Russian Jet Backfire on NATO?

  • From: Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:47:12 -0500

I think that's an over simplification. Turkey is not always in consonance
with Israel. It certainly wasn't after Israel attacked the flotilla to Gaza
in 2010, plus, Turkey has its own national interests like preventing the
Kurds from forming their own independent state.

Miriam

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Too bad Turkey is just a puppet for Israel.



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All:
Too many assumptions and conjectures for me.
R. E. (Dick) Driscoll, Sr.

On 11/26/2015 7:02 PM, Miriam Vieni wrote:


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Trigger Happy: Will Turkey's Downing of Russian Jet Backfire on
NATO?
By Patrick Cockburn [1] / CounterPunch [2]
November 25, 2015
Turkey must have been eager to shoot down a Russian aircraft. Even
going by
the Turkish account of what happened, as illustrated by a Turkish
map of the
route of the Russian plane, it would only briefly have been in
Turkish
airspace as it crossed a piece of Turkish territory that projects
into
Syria.
Why would Turkey do this? Probably because Ankara has become
increasingly
furious, since Russian air strikes started in Syria on 30 September,
that
Russian jets were routinely invading its airspace. The Turkish
government
also knows that its policy since 2011 of getting rid of President
Bashar
al-Assad has failed and that it has a diminishing influence in
events in
Syria as Russia, the US, France and possibly, in the near future,
Britain
increase their military involvement in Syria.
Specific events on the 550 mile-long Syrian-Kurdish role may also
have
played a role. This year Turkey has seen the Syrian Kurds, whom it
denounces
as terrorists as bad as Isis, take control of half of the frontier
and
threaten to move west of the Euphrates. More recently, Syrian army
units
backed by Russian air strikes have been attacking towards the other
end of
the border near where the Russian plane came down and the pilots
were
killed.
Nato countries will give some rhetorical support to Turkey as a Nato
member,
but many will not be dismissive in private of President Vladimir
Putin's
angry accusation that Turkey is the accomplice of terrorists.
Turkey's
support for the Syrian armed opposition, including extreme groups
like
Jabhat al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham, has been notorious over the last
three
years. Its relations with Isis are murky, but it has been credibly
accused
of allowing the self-declared Islamic State to sell oil through
Turkey.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is in a strong domestic
position
because of his sweeping parliamentary election victory on 1
November. But he
has seen what appeared to be a strong Turkish position in the Middle
East in
2011 deteriorate year by year as leaders and movements he supported,
such as
President Morsi in Egypt and the opposition in Syria, suffer
defeats.
At the same time, it is damaging for Turkey to have bad relations
with
Russia and Iran, two powerful neighbours close to its borders.
Leaders of
Nato countries will want to prevent further Russian-Turkish
hostilities, so
they can look for Russian cooperation in attacking Isis and ending
the
Syrian conflict.
Patrick Cockburn is the author of The Rise of Islamic State: ISIS
and the
New Sunni Revolution [3].
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on NATO?


Trigger Happy: Will Turkey's Downing of Russian Jet Backfire on
NATO?
By Patrick Cockburn [1] / CounterPunch [2]
November 25, 2015
Turkey must have been eager to shoot down a Russian aircraft. Even
going by
the Turkish account of what happened, as illustrated by a Turkish
map of the
route of the Russian plane, it would only briefly have been in
Turkish
airspace as it crossed a piece of Turkish territory that projects
into
Syria.
Why would Turkey do this? Probably because Ankara has become
increasingly
furious, since Russian air strikes started in Syria on 30 September,
that
Russian jets were routinely invading its airspace. The Turkish
government
also knows that its policy since 2011 of getting rid of President
Bashar
al-Assad has failed and that it has a diminishing influence in
events in
Syria as Russia, the US, France and possibly, in the near future,
Britain
increase their military involvement in Syria.
Specific events on the 550 mile-long Syrian-Kurdish role may also
have
played a role. This year Turkey has seen the Syrian Kurds, whom it
denounces
as terrorists as bad as Isis, take control of half of the frontier
and
threaten to move west of the Euphrates. More recently, Syrian army
units
backed by Russian air strikes have been attacking towards the other
end of
the border near where the Russian plane came down and the pilots
were
killed.
Nato countries will give some rhetorical support to Turkey as a Nato
member,
but many will not be dismissive in private of President Vladimir
Putin's
angry accusation that Turkey is the accomplice of terrorists.
Turkey's
support for the Syrian armed opposition, including extreme groups
like
Jabhat al-Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham, has been notorious over the last
three
years. Its relations with Isis are murky, but it has been credibly
accused
of allowing the self-declared Islamic State to sell oil through
Turkey.
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is in a strong domestic
position
because of his sweeping parliamentary election victory on 1
November. But he
has seen what appeared to be a strong Turkish position in the Middle
East in
2011 deteriorate year by year as leaders and movements he supported,
such as
President Morsi in Egypt and the opposition in Syria, suffer
defeats.
At the same time, it is damaging for Turkey to have bad relations
with
Russia and Iran, two powerful neighbours close to its borders.
Leaders of
Nato countries will want to prevent further Russian-Turkish
hostilities, so
they can look for Russian cooperation in attacking Isis and ending
the
Syrian conflict.
Patrick Cockburn is the author of The Rise of Islamic State: ISIS
and the
New Sunni Revolution [3].
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-backfire-nato
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