I know. And I don't think I can bring myself to vote for Clinton. And Obama
failed, not because he compromised, but because he chose, from the start to
align himself with Wall Street and because he apparently, also lied to us
about his positions on war and state secrecy. He saw the world from the
point of view of a member of the elite class, a position he'd striven to
attain. This is America. It's the American dream. But we vote for someone
who isn't even on the ballot in every state. We make a moral statement about
which no one cares except us. And possibly, Trump will win the Presidency if
the polls are correct. Sheldon Adelson is about to give him 100 million
dollars, or so I read.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:44 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: No, Bill Clinton Didn't 'Kill' Himself Trying
for a State of Palestine (Video)
Oh Miriam, you're just too practical.
Seriously, I do live in this world. But I no longer support someone who has
more ties to the Ruling Class than to the People who marked the ballots.
Perhaps the Working Class can work with Clinton more easily than with Trump,
but in either case it will take serious effort to hold the line in social
and homeland services. And what good did it do to vote for Obama, whom I'd
rather vote for than Clinton, since his efforts to "compromise" brought him
up short with a solid wall of senate opposition. Sure, we can pretend that
we're better off under Obama, but despite some gains, we are plunging closer
to the brink of no return, both in climate change as well as final
destruction. Yup, the world I live in is ugly, due in part to our voting
over and over again for the Lesser of Two Evils. We have given Greed free
reign, pretending that just maybe this candidate will be able to control it.
A recent Op/Ed in the Columbian took a swipe at our state's school for the
blind. This Nationally recognized program has been producing some
tremendous young men and women. But money is tight and the school's budget
is tempting. The state of Oregon, as progressive as it is in some ways,
sold their school for the blind. Such programs as state services for all
disabilities are coming under fire as our eternal war rages on. Clinton
will not be the person I want to hitch my wagon to.
Carl Jarvis
On 5/18/16, Miriam Vieni <miriamvieni@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, first of all, the latest article that I've read about superDelegates.
delegates, indicated that they were created to ensure that the party
nominated an electable candidate rather than one who might appeal to
the grass roots, but couldn't win against the Republicans. So the
super delegates are supposed to be concerned with the welfare of the
Democratic Party. This time, they're obviously making an erroneous
choice because Hillary is unpopular and was behind Trump by 3 points
in the latest poll that I've read about, whereas Bernie is ahead of
him by something like 13 points. So if those super delegates are
concerned about winning the election rather than just following
orders, they wouldn't be supporting Hillary.
As for the Democratic party, it does have a progressive wing. Although
even its progressive wing has its limitations, particularly in
relation to war, it does tend to create and vote for legislation that
will help low and middle income people. Each year, it presents a
budget with lower military spending and much more spending for
domestic programs than the budget which the mainstream politicians
pass. The other difference between the Democratic and Republican
parties is that the Democrats have saner positions on social issues.
They are more inclusive in relation to minorities, LGBT issues, and
religious freedom, as well as who is permitted to vote. We live in the
real world, not the one we wish existed, and so, we have to function
within existing political reality.
Miriam
-----Original Message-----
From: blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:blind-democracy-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:05 AM
To: blind-democracy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [blind-democracy] Re: No, Bill Clinton Didn't 'Kill' Himself
Trying for a State of Palestine (Video)
My spin goes like this. Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Barak Obama and
now, Hillary Clinton are not, and I repeat, **Are Not Friends or
Supporters of the Working Class Americans. Just how do we rationalize
them as being our friends? They are machine politicians, captured by
the riches of the Ruling Class. The difference in my mind between the
Republican Party and the so called Democrat Party, is that the
Democrats pretend to be upset when social services are compromised or
destroyed, while the Republican Party minces no words in announcing
its plans to take down our hard fought for public support network.
Perhaps some Democrats on this list can explain to me how the Party
can claim to represent the People, but has set as a buffer the Super
These are Party Leaders, Congress Persons, not the "man in the street".
They represent the monied interests, not the fast diminishing
Independent Worker. How is that democracy? You cannot reach out to
the People when you hold those same People in abject contempt. At
least, until Uncle Donald, the Republican Party never claimed to care
about the struggling workers.
And don't get the idea that I'm suggesting that Trump cares. He does
have the basic cunning and skill to use the anger and despair of the
working class to whip up anti government emotion and send raging
voters to the polls in growing numbers.
Meanwhile, the Democrat Party is about to realize it's worst nightmare.
Backing their elitist candidate, Hillary Clinton, they are about to
witness the destruction of their Party, and very likely throw open the
White House door to President Donald Trump.
And tell me how I will be better off voting for Clinton? I have no
dog in this fight. Even if I wish I did. Sanders came closest to
attempting to care for the basic needs of the working class. But even
Bernie would be tangled in the Corporate Capitalist web. And
remember, Sanders is not calling for Peace. He is still owned in part
by the Military/Industrial Forces.
Carl Jarvis
On 5/17/16, Bob Hachey <bhachey@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Miriam,himself"
Without reading this article, I believe that many of us on this list
would have known that Clinton lied like a rug when he said he "killed
trying to get an independent Palestinian state.
Personally, I believe that, in the beginning of his presidency,
Clinton did try to broker a peaceful solution in Israel, but any
desire to complete this process died with the assassination of Rabin.
I'm not sure that Clinton was the most pro-Israel president in our
history; seems to me, that honor ought to go to George W. Bush.
One final point here. The term squatters as used here should be
replaced with Israeli occupyers. IMHO occupyers need not be soldiers.
Bob Hachey
