Hello Richard and All Players, I really like the ideas generated here; but I like the ladder pretty much as it is. I do think we should do something for the less active players. For myself, I find I can manage a tournament, but a tournament and a ladder challenge happening at the same time is sometimes a bit too much for me - I am a working guy. I believe that if someone wants to be idled on the ladder this is a good option; and that person could keep his or her position, as long as other players can keep climbing above that person labeled "inactive" on the ladder. (It's only fair that if you are making yourself inactive, others should be able to climb above you.) I also think anyone who is not playing the ladder games should have the courtesy to take himself or herself out of the ladder list. Also, anyone who has not played in six months or a year should be deleted from the ladder - that person could come back in at the bottom at any time. On rating partial games: it's an interesting idea, but I don't think we should make rating changes for anything other than a standard game. - But I see no problem with a competition involving middle and endgames. We could even have an endgame tournament if enough people are interested, and someone can certainly win such a tournament or advance to a good position through clever play. We could even create endgame setups that are graduated in difficulty. I also sympathize with those who have suffered rating losses, but I don't believe folks get discouraged so easily - if someone does, he or she should realize that there will always be a better chess player than oneself! - Also, some of my lost games have been my most enjoyable, and losing is just part of chess. I have suffered big drops in my rating at times, and it just doesn't bother me much - I want to know where I stand in relation to others. Even rating changes in other-than-standard competitions are fine - the less adventuresome like myself could just stay away from those and play standard games. I also think that whatever ideas come in for changes, we should all agree not to get grumpy about them, and also agree to let Richard decide - after all, he is doing the work, he knows what software changes he is willing to undertake, and he has been a great arbiter in uncomfortable situations. Personally I think Richard makes great decisions which tend to keep everyone interested and happy. Thanks to All for the fascinating ideas, and I'm sure I will be happy with whatever gets decided - so will most of us. Andy