[bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of daisy navigation in scanned books? And a variety of questions
- From: Scott Rains <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:48:19 -0700
Rik,
You are not alone in wanting to push the envelope and invent effective ways to
do larger books. I want to chime in here and fan the flames on this topic for
general and ongoing discussion.
Blind and sighted partnerships seem to work well in these situations. Some who
have informally teamed up may want to tell you their stories here or via
private email.
Assigning out parts of a book to different people in a group is another
strategy. Granted our Check out procedure was not designed for that but
dialogue on creative solutions might suggest some solutions – or even persuade
us to make some system changes.
All in all there is an ongoing commitment here in-house to support volunteers
tackling the tough projects.
Scott Rains
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of daisy navigation in scanned books? And
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Thanks, Lori and Mayrie for your replies.
I shall remove the brackets around the page numbers as you suggest., and Lori,
maybe I shall try to just use the BRF format in my old Book Port.
I enjoy the multi-level Daisy navigation, though. I kind of have gotten used to
it, maybe could even say spoiled. But bookmarks work, too.
And thanks for your positive comment on my scans.
If I can stay focused and have the time I have quite a few books that I think
others may enjoy. There sure have been an amazing amount of great books to
read over the past several years. My, oh my!
I still wish I could figure out a way to scan very large books, as I have a
couple that I think would be great to read.
Only way I can figure is to have sighted help and to obscure a portion of the
page each scan. But that takes a lot of time. Maybe someday. Maybe someone
knows a way I have not thought of?
Thanks.
Rik
From: Lori Castner<mailto:loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 4:05 PM
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of daisy navigation in scanned books? And
a variety of questions
Hi, Rick,
I have always enjoyed proofreading your books, not only because of their
interesting topics, but also because the submissions are so clean and virtually
error-free.
I can't answer your question about Bookshare daisy books and their playing on
the old Bookport except to say that I have the same problem. When I move
between books on the Bookport, those in daisy format do not have titles which
can be read by the Bookport, so navigation between books is quite tricky. That
problem developed about six months ago, I think, so I simply use the .brf files.
Lori C.
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of daisy navigation in scanned books? And
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This was a big help, Scott. Thank you.
So as a submitter, if I do these things, is that pretty useful for proofreaders?
It was good to see the additional information on that Wiki page, too.
Some great attempts to get all our folks on the same page, so to speak!
Footnotes information was useful. the book I am doing now has quite a number of
them in certain sections of the book.
And I noticed about pages of photographs the preferred text is to put the word
image in brackets. I had used the text photo caption. Hope that is okay.
Here are a few bonus questions if anyone can help to educate and inform me:
This one book I am now doing has its page numbers in brackets. Any opinion on
that? Should I leave them in brackets or remove them?
Thanks. My objective has always been to submit a book as ready for the
collection as possible.
I do hope we may have more books that I download that will have the multiple
level of navigation.
While I ask questions, I wonder if anyone knows, why do the books now appear
differently in the old Book Port?
I notice that quite a number of them do play okay. But when I go to the folder
where they are, sometimes they are absolutely silent and thus have no title for
the Book Port to read. When I play them they work, however.
Also in the same vein, these books no longer have their titles to appear in the
Book Port Transfer program. Rather they only appear as a number. Which is fine,
except that no way can I do any housecleaning using that software and have to
delete titles within the Book Port itself and not with the software.
Thanks.
Rik James
in the [] and outside the box. smiling.
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: levels of daisy navigation in scanned books? And
a variety of questions
Rik,
Here's the basics on DAISY navigation:
4) Use these font sizes: For the:
20 point + BOLDING Book title
18 point + BOLDING Larger section headings
(such as "Part I", or "Section 2")
16 point + BOLDING Headings for each section
in the Front Matter, & Back Matter
16 point + BOLDING Chapter headings
14 point + BOLDING Chapter subheadings
12 point Text in the body
of the book
5) Maximum font size for anything in the file: =
20 point
Minimum font size for anything in the file: =
8 point
https://wiki.benetech.org/display/BSO/4.+Proofread+a+book#4.Proofreadabook-4optionalproofreadingsteps
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] levels of daisy navigation in scanned books? And a
variety of questions
Should we as book scanners ever see the day that we will scan our books and set
the multi-levels of Daisy navigation?
I sure have been enjoying my own book scanning creating the Part 1 and part 2
as one level, and then the chapter headings as the next level down and so on.
And this still has the page breaks as navigation, too.
I think from submitting a couple books, the RTF files do not have that
capability, do they?
And while I am asking silly questions, some books we are getting to download,
they have the daisy with image version as well as just daisy.
What is that all about? Can anyone enlighten me?
I had been more actively volunteering, and am just returning for a bit with a
few books I wanted to submit and may try to proofread again.
Are there a ton of changes since say about 18 months ago as far as proofreading
goes? It seems that might be the case.
If so, and you have it handy, please post the link to the most fresh version of
the volunteer manual.
Thanks everyone for all your great work!
Rik
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