[bksvol-discuss] Re: Retaining Blank Pages in Kurzweil
- From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:44:26 -0500
OK, Katie, as you said, let's try this again.
Kelly and I have both responded to your question and told you to put the
page numbers on the blank pages because having a page with two page numbers
is not as big a deal as losing a blank page. As Kelly said, it confuses the
Stripper a little, but not in
a really detrimental way.
BTW, since you also didn't understand what Donna was telling you, K-1000
apparently loses the blank pages when it opens an RTF file, not when it
saves one because she said she was able to pull up her test file in Word and
the blank pages were still there. It was only when she pulled up that same
RTF file in K-1000 that the blank pages didn't show up.
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katie Star
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:14 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Retaining Blank Pages in Kurzweil
Okay, Let's try this again,
From a post of Gerald's from a couple of weeks ago..
Whoever designed the Stripper seems to have taken the title page into
consideration. I wouldn't worry about this page. The only pages at the
beginning
of the book where it might be necessary to worry about something getting
stripped would be the headings on the pages of the Table of Contents and the
Acknowledgements.
I've been treating these headings like chapter headings and protecting
them.
As for the roman numeral pages at the beginning of books, I'd treat them the
same as the headers and page numbers in the rest of the book. The Stripper
seems to have been designed to handle roman numerals as page numbers. At
least I haven't noticed any difference in how the Stripper treats them. The
evidence that the Stripper seems to understand them is that it's not adding
page numbers to these pages in the HTML files. I've recently noticed that
the Stripper seems to have a problem with blank pages where a page number
has been added, making the page number the only thing on the page. I've
spotted
two page numbers on these pages in the HTML files, indicating that the
Stripper didn't recognize the page number and didn't strip it. The Stripper
appears
to be storing a page number in the SMIL file based on what it expected to
find but didn't, and then adding that guess back to that page when the HTML
file
is created resulting in two page numbers for the page. As I said, I haven't
noticed a second set of page numbers on the pages with roman numerals, so
the Stripper appears to understand that they are page numbers and treats
them accordingly. However, I haven't been looking that close at them,
though,
because I don't recall having worked on a book which had them. My advice
would be to treat them as if they were arabic page numbers, then download
the
book once it makes it into the collection and see what happened. I'll try
to pay closer attention when I validate a book with roman numerals to see
exactly
what is happening.
HTH
Gerald
Now original question.
Hi Gerald,
Question.. So when converting a kes file into rtf blank pages are removed?
IF so putting the page number in there should protect them? If we shouldn't
be
putting the page number in there then how do we keep Kurzweil from stripping
the blank page out?
I have had a few books here lately I have scanned and am reading where the
blank pages are counted in the over all page numbering sceam.
Katie Hill
Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
You, who are thirsty, come hither: if, by chance, the fountain fails,
The goddess has, by degrees, prepared the everlasting waters.
translation by fulcanelli of an inscription on the
statue of maitre plerre, which stood on the parvis of
Notre-Dame-de-Paris until its removal in 1748
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Smith
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 4:54 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Retaining Blank Pages in Kurzweil
Hi Katie. Sorry I misunderstood your question. However, I just did a small
test and here are my results:
I scanned five pages using Kurzweil, setting it to keep blank pages. It was
page 1 text, page 2 blank, page 3 text, page four blank, page 5 text.
I then saved the document as an RTF file.
When I pulled it up in Kurzweil, the blank pages weren't there; there were
only the three pages that contained text.
When I pulled it up in Word, the blank pages were there, but additionally,
two of the pages with text were formatted to take up more than one page,
giving me a final document with seven pages. So it was page 1 text, page 2
blank, page 3 text, page 4 leftover text from page 3, page 5 blank, page 6
text and page 7 with leftover text from page 6. I don't know why it added
in blank lines that made the pages 3 and 5 of text extend to two pages each,
but it did in fact keep the two blank pages I inserted. Again, though, this
only showed up when I retrieved the RTF file in Word.
Hope this helps. And I'm still a confirmed FineReader user!
Peace and Hope,
Donna
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katie Star
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 11:53 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Retaining Blank Pages in Kurzweil
Donna,
My question was. A while back there was a discussion about Kurzweil and
converting kes files into rtf. I thought it was determined that when
Kurzweil save a kes into rtf it would strip blank pages???
Katie Hill
Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
You, who are thirsty, come hither: if, by chance, the fountain fails,
The goddess has, by degrees, prepared the everlasting waters.
translation by fulcanelli of an inscription on the
statue of maitre plerre, which stood on the parvis of
Notre-Dame-de-Paris until its removal in 1748
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Donna Smith
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 10:28 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Retaining Blank Pages in Kurzweil
Hi Katie.
To retain blank pages in Kurzweil, go to Settings and select Recognition
which will open a dialog box. One of the available options is "ignore blank
pages." If you press the down arrow it changes to "keep blank pages."
Problem fixed!
Peace and Hope,
Donna
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Katie Star
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:11 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Hi Gerald,
Question.. So when converting a kes file into rtf blank pages are removed?
IF so putting the page number in there should protect them? If we shouldn't
be putting the page number in there then how do we keep Kurzweil from
stripping the blank page out?
Katie Hill
Kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
You, who are thirsty, come hither: if, by chance, the fountain fails,
The goddess has, by degrees, prepared the everlasting waters.
translation by fulcanelli of an inscription on the
statue of maitre plerre, which stood on the parvis of
Notre-Dame-de-Paris until its removal in 1748
_____
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gerald Hovas
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:28 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SPAM][bksvol-discuss] Re: Stripper and Preliminary Pages
Monica,
Whoever designed the Stripper seems to have taken the title page into
consideration. I wouldn't worry about this page. The only pages at the
beginning of the book where it might be necessary to worry about something
getting stripped would be the headings on the pages of the Table of Contents
and the Acknowledgements. I've been treating these headings like chapter
headings and protecting them.
As for the roman numeral pages at the beginning of books, I'd treat them the
same as the headers and page numbers in the rest of the book. The Stripper
seems to have been designed to handle roman numerals as page numbers. At
least I haven't noticed any difference in how the Stripper treats them. The
evidence that the Stripper seems to understand them is that it's not adding
page numbers to these pages in the HTML files. I've recently noticed that
the Stripper seems to have a problem with blank pages where a page number
has been added, making the page number the only thing on the page. I've
spotted two page numbers on these pages in the HTML files, indicating that
the Stripper didn't recognize the page number and didn't strip it. The
Stripper appears to be storing a page number in the SMIL file based on what
it expected to find but didn't, and then adding that guess back to that page
when the HTML file is created resulting in two page numbers for the page.
As I said, I haven't noticed a second set of page numbers on the pages with
roman numerals, so the Stripper appears to understand that they are page
numbers and treats them accordingly. However, I haven't been looking that
close at them, though, because I don't recall having worked on a book which
had them. My advice would be to treat them as if they were arabic page
numbers, then download the book once it makes it into the collection and see
what happened. I'll try to pay closer attention when I validate a book with
roman numerals to see exactly what is happening.
HTH
Gerald
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Monica Cortada
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:26 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Stripper and Preliminary Pages
What would be the ideal treatment of the first few pages of a book like the
title page? Should a placeholder header be put here for the stripper to
strip?
Also, what should be done with the roman numeral page numbers at the
beginning of a book?
Sorry to have so many questions and thanks for your patience.
Monica in Maryland
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