[bksvol-discuss] RFB&D, Was (re: NLS Vs. Bookshare)
- From: mswanson@xxxxxxxxxxx
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:19:14 -0500 (CDT)
At two points in its history, the days of the old Soundscriber disks and
those of the now disaearing cassette, RFB&D books could be played on
freely available equipment. During the era of the 1-7/8' tapes and the
upcoming one of digital playback oly, the equipment can be rather
expensive.
I just found out that the software ofered for the computer is $40.00 plus
$5.00 shipping, and a portable player costs at least $200.00. Frankly,
this once most altruistic of rganizations has become obsessed with selling
you something at every turn!
--
"i dont see why these idoits are always after us. its not our falts its
stupid bush's." Seen on ABC Web Comments." Music stops May 15! Pax, Max.
<Mail to: mswanson@xxxxxxxxxxx> or <swando99@xxxxxxxxx>
On Tue, May 8, 2007 21:18, Barbara said:
> RFB&D uses specialized CD players and also allows readers to listen to
> books on their computer or download them onto Book Port. Why can't NLS do
> the same thing as RFB&D?
>
> Lora <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Barbara,
>
> I believe that there are security concerns with allowing the books to be
> placed on regular CDs that anyone can play. Their specialized devices
> will ensure that only people with such devices can play their books.
>
> There's probably more to it than that, but that's my first guess.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Barbara
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:29 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: NLS vs. Bookshare
>
>
>
> Why can't NLS have the books on CDs that one can either play on a CD
> player or one can listen to on a computer or on Book Port? In this way,
> even those who don't have access to a computer can still listen to the
> Talking Books on a CD player.
>
> Barbara
>
> "Julie & Miss Mercy, avon representative" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Not only are all their patrons not computer-savvy, but not all of them
> even
> have a computer to begin with. Many of them don't, so this would leave out
> a
> lot of people. Either way, I know those of you who use audio would really
> like to see that technology improve and I definitely think it should, but
> with the advent of Web Braille, I'd like to see more of those produced,
> but
> that'll never happen and I know why. Braille does take a lot longer to
> produce and costs more, and the Web Braille files are the equivalent of
> the
> hardcopy braille files, so if they're not in hardcopy braille, they're not
> likely to have them on Web Braille, either, but it would be nice. As long
> as
> we're dreaming... Take care.
> --
> Julie Morales
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> The only drawback with morning is that it comes at such an inconvenient
> time
> of day.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wvusuperfan22"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 6:29 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: NLS vs. Bookshare
>
>
> I don't have a problem with those new players but I kind of wish they
> could
> do something similiar like they do with Web Braille with audio books where
> you could download it as an audio file and then save it to your computer
> and
> then either listen to it on there or put it on your I-pod/MP3 player which
> ever you want. I figure this would cut down on costs since they could just
> store everything on a computer and not have anything at all cards,
> cassettes, nothing like that. They could also save in tha they wouldn't
> have to purchase any kinds of players for their patrons.
>
> I understand though that not every one of their patrons is computer savvy
> so
> they have to have somethng that will suit everyone but it would sure be
> nice. I think I would listen to a lot more audio if I could just download
> it like you can do with Bookshare instead of having to order it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Evan Reese"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:07 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: NLS vs. Bookshare
>
>
>>I don't know. I think solid state storage is better than CD. No moving
>>parts, less chance of breakage of the players I would think. No worries
>>about scratches messing up the reading of the memory.
>>
>> Evan
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:21 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: NLS vs. Bookshare
>>
>>
>>> In their own sweet way, NLS is startig to get with technology. I'm a
>>> bit
>>> dubious re their solution to digital audio, because they're kind of
>>> reinventing the wheel. It's some proprietary form of flash memory
>>> cartrige, but the player, as I just found out, will accommodate some
>>> forms
>>> of digital download.
>>>
>>> I don't think they gave the DAISY CD a fair shake and that minds were
>>> made
>>> up too early in the process; but once it's fully deployed, (Give it
>>> three
>>> years), they just may be proved right.
>>>
>>> Anyway, even in the cassette field, the C1 player, though a bit clunky,
>>> isn't that big. The traditional recordplayer has all bug disappeared,
>>> something I'm going to have to confront when mine wears out. The
>>> flexible
>>> disks on which magazines were direct-circulated until 2000, were cheap
>>> to
>>> produce and quite durable. I should know; I have a whole shelf full of
>>> them.
>>> --
>>> "i dont see why these idoits are always after us. its not our falts its
>>> stupid bush's." Seen on ABC Web Comments." Music stops May 15! Pax,
>>> Max.
>>> or
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 8, 2007 19:22, wvusuperfan22 said:
>>>> Hey Jamie:
>>>>
>>>> I am subscribed to nls but not bookshare; I am going to subscribe soon
>>>> as
>>>> I love bookshare.
>>>>
>>>> I like NLS and the Web Braille service fine, but the only problem I
>>>> have
>>>> is they do not have that many books in braille so they have a lot of
>>>> books
>>>> that bookshare.org does not have except they are on cassette. I am a
>>>> really good braille reader and would actually read the books instead
>>>> of
>>>> listening to them although I do not mind audio. I wish NLS could do
>>>> something where they maybe have an option for talking books similiar
>>>> to
>>>> Web Braille in that you could download the talking book and listen to
>>>> it
>>>> on your computer instead of ordering it and waiting for it come in the
>>>> mail and all that. Plus, with NLS talking books you have to have this
>>>> huge talking book player which is annoying.
>>>>
>>>> I personally like Bookshare better because it ahs all kinds of books
>>>> and
>>>> all the books are ether in Daisy for people who want to listen to them
>>>> with audio or in a BRF format so if you want to read them in braille
>>>> on
>>>> a
>>>> note taker, you can. You can get the books instantly rather then
>>>> having
>>>> to order them and waiting for them to come through the mail. Also, I
>>>> can
>>>> just take my note taker anywhere and read rather then having a big
>>>> talking
>>>> book player. I personally think NLS needs to get with technology more.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Kerri
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jamie Yates
>>>> To: Bookshare Volunteers
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 9:41 AM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] NLS vs. Bookshare
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My friend sent this to me and asked me to ask opinions of the
>>>> Bookshare
>>>> volunteers. You can email me privately if you wish offlist at
>>>> jamieyates@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> My feeling is that for $50 a year for pretty much unlimited books,
>>>> Bookshare does a very valuable service. I don't know and understand
>>>> completely how NLS works but from helping her with some problems I
>>>> spent
>>>> a long time on hold with the Cleveland library trying to sort out her
>>>> NLS account (she doesn't have a Braille tty set up right now) and they
>>>> were very helpful but it takes time to get a physical book in the
>>>> mail.
>>>> With Bookshare the access is instant. As a sighted person, I'm almost
>>>> jealous! I have to drive 10 miles to the library to get the books I
>>>> want. and then I can only keep them for 3 weeks. So I think Bookshare
>>>> is
>>>> pretty great and I tell people about it all of the time.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway here is what she is asking:
>>>>
>>>> Jamie,
>>>> This is from on of my DB friends. I thought you could share with the
>>>> Bookshare
>>>> Volunteer list and send me any good things they have to say. (and your
>>>> feelings
>>>> too)
>>>>
>>>> a debate going on about Bookshare and National
>>>> Library Service which should be providing braille readers with ANY
>>>> braille book
>>>> they wish to read free of charge. One member said she knew of others
>>>> who
>>>> could
>>>> not afford to pay the $50 annual fee for Bookshare, and neither could
>>>> she.
>>>> Another said that she'd like to be able to curl up in a chair and read
>>>> a
>>>> brailled book. She's not sure how to download a book and convert it
>>>> into
>>>> braille.
>>>> I don't know anything about how to do this. I was wondering if you
>>>> could
>>>> give your view on Bookshare vs NLS and what the advantages or
>>>> disadvantages
>>>> are.
>>>> Why isn't the NLS doing what Bookshare is doing?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jamie in Michigan
>>>> Currently reading: Ceremony in Death - J.D. Robb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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