[bksvol-discuss] Re: Optaconon eBay & quaitons for bookshare volanteers
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:20:25 -0700 (PDT)
As one who has tried to describe illustrations in books for bookshare, I can
attest to the fact that it takes a lot more than a thousand words--and they
have to be the exact right ones--and what has meaning for a sighted person
because of what he/she has seen in the past doesn't necessarily have meaning
for a blind person.--and then there's the problem of writing it correctly so it
makes sense--isn't confusing--it takes a lot of reading over and rewriting,
unless one h as a kind volunteer like Susan Lumpkin who is willing to edit
on'es efforts.
Cindy
--- On Mon, 6/13/11, Nadia Cioffi <cioffi.nadia@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Nadia Cioffi <cioffi.nadia@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Optaconon eBay & quaitons for bookshare volanteers
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, June 13, 2011, 10:49 AM
graphics are good sometimes. I much I didn't think I was visual learning.That
was proved wrong when someone tyred to explain something. I told them to show
me picture. Now sometimes that just confers me more. I use to watch TV 24/7
until my eight grade when I became legally blind. Personally, I don't miss at
times, but at other times I do. When everyone else is talking about the hottest
movie and they ask if I've seen it. Personally. My computer screen is as big as
my T.V so I watch TV on my computer. T.V is sometimes overrated with some shows
and others I just don't really care because I can go look at parts online. I
much regather listen to what whats on TV then watch it times. I hate black and
white movies / shows because I can't define much detail then. I also hate when
everyone just uses fecal expiation and voice. That I have to say is the thing
that reminds me everyday of good I could see. Now from my expanse having fever
and us to have glaucoma
and much better sight. The thing that eats at me the most is that people think
it's one big joke. At least some of them. I had a hard desertion to make on on
weather I rather have fake eye or pain for the resat of my life. The eye that I
had removed had the glaucoma in it. I could not see out of any way, but at 16
years old that was a very hard choices. I had one eye sugary to try to get ride
of the pain and then that didn't work so I had to choices. fake eye or another
sugary that could take up to six months to work. After 16 years of dealing with
eye presser of 30 (witch I got us to and was normal for me) I could withstand
up to 35 before crying going to eye DR. Come to find out my eye was dieing.
Started in the summer lasted for 6 months. I made the final call. At the time I
thought it was the worst idea every because I went though any other 4 weeks of
pain before I felt like doing any thing. Of course when they cut your optic
nerve (I can't see
anything out that anyway) It's going hurt. I took me 1 and 1/2 to anally tell
people this. Please also say we as group of Strabo typing don't have
ponces, deathless, and the thing that tars me down the most is you've never
gone though anything hard. Wong, my whole point is that I think that makes use
stronger as person. (at times makes us mad) The reason I'm saying this is that
if everyone known what everyone was going maybe they would not think we "so
helpless". Anything this thing that we are going have to deal with
our whole life is self-advocating for what right and not what so easy. Another
thing, I was told when my brought me to the US I only need eye glasses. I don't
think so. I'd like to hear your thoughts one what think are common aspirations
and what story you have to tell? If u feel OK with feel free to keep emailing
replays. My whole point education is key, not yelling at someone or punching
them, that we are not going to live up
your peoples bad things they think we are. As sad as it is I was told
that if a sighted person has to work 200% as hard we have to work that 200% and
sometimes harder. Is more like is a sighted person is working 200% then we
have 200+89++% harder. What are year thoughts? What things get you a day in
life? Just int rusted and hearing your thoughts also, they say "a pictor is
worth a thouds words" lets change to "your voice and tone, can Tell more about
a person than a pictor. As for the OCR always us it, makes things clear for the
xhtml copy when someone dowloads and reads it of the internet. RTM can hold
graphics keep in mind that not all our user are blind. Sorry about the really
long email.
Bookworm101
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
As a formerly sighted person I can assure you that whoever said that a picture
was worth a thousand words was making an extreme understatement. In fact,
because of that I have watched very little television since I lost my eyesight.
I didn't really watch a whole lot of it before though. I remember mentioning
that to a blind from birth person when I was in rehab and she expressed
surprise saying that she liked television and saying that when there was some
action they usually talked about it afterwards. I said that since she had never
seen she literally did not know what she was missing and that she was missing a
lot. I did know what I was missing, so the experience was unsatisfactory for
me. Another blind from birth woman told me that she could describe a person
well enough that someone could pick them out in a crowd, so that it was just as
good as seeing. I told her that I did not doubt that she could describe a
person that well, but it could not
possibly be as good as seeing. She seemed to be somewhat offended at that. I
have never even bothered with the described movies because I know even before
trying them that no amount of description could possibly make them
satisffactory for me.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Optaconon eBay
I've used the Optacon all my adult life, and, like Lori, I would not submit
scans to Bookshare without it.
Before I got my first OCR software, OsCaR, I did read some books with it, but
it took a very long time. Now, I still use it to read paper mail, mostly to
determine whether it is junk or not. Anything longer than a page or two is
scanned now. By far, the most important use of my Optacon now is to check my
scans.. On those relatively rare occasions when I proofread others scans, I
always have a print copy of the book to check.
You cannot use it to look at photographs, but when I was in college,, I was
able to look at graphs and line drawings. I remember looking at drawings of
waves in my physics book and thinking that whoever said that a picture is worth
a thousand words was making an understatement.
Evan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Castner"
<loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:25 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Optaconon eBay
And even if the speed is not fast, I use the optacon whenever I scan a book for
Bookshare. I would never submit a book to Bookshare if I did not have an
optacon.
And it was the device that changed my life; I cannot say enough good things
about it.
Lori C.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 5:45 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Optaconon eBay
True in most cases. I've heard of a few people who could read as fast as they
could talk, but that is not the normal reading rate for most people, even those
such as myself who've been using it for many years.
Evan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Stevens" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:23 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Optaconon eBay
I have heard thaqt even after training it is very slow to read with an ooptacon.
Sue S.
-----Original Message----- From: Evan Reese
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:05 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Optaconon eBay
From your question, it sounds as though you are not familiar with the
Optacon. If that is the case, you might not want to buy it. I don't know
whether it is possible to get much use out of it without training, but I've
never heard of anyone who did.
Evan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charisma" <wishfulfish@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 6:35 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Optaconon eBay
Is that little unit all that is needed?
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Valerie Maples <vlmaples@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Just wanted to let people know there is an Optacon (not mine) on eBay, item
#120735157413. It is supposed to be in used, working condition. So, if
someone is hoping to snag one of these, it might be worth more questions to
the seller. It is guaranteed to not be DOA.
Take care!
Valerie
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