Well, I can try to tell you what Donna and E(lizabeth) look like. Both are, I'd say, in their early forties, though they look younger to me. Both have long, i.e., waist-length or even slightly longer, straight dark hair with a few gray strands running hrough. Both have pretty faces. Both are, I would say, around five feet five inches, though they may be slightly taller. I'm basing that on the fact that I'm supposedly five feet four and a half inches tall, though I think I may have shrunk a little as I've aged. I think Elizabeth is slightly taller, but I'm not sure. Unfortunately, I'm not a particularly observant person, and I didn't pay close attention, even though we visited face to face for about an hour and a half. Both are attractive, intelligent, vital, fun-to-be with women. Elizabeth is, I think, more out-going and friendly than I sometimes think she appears in the lists. To show you how unobservant I am, I can tell you what Donna was wearing (a dark outfit --suit? dress, top and slacks? I think the latter-- over a red turtleneck) because she told me so I'd recognize her when we were to meet -- and even then I asked the wrong person if she were Donna (the first blind person I saw who seemed to be looking for someone, even though she was outside instead of in the lobby and even though she wasn't wearing a red turtleneck)., but I can't tell you what Elizabeth was wearing. If I get to meet people next year, I'll make a point of being more observant. Oh -- and as I think I mentioned before, Donna has a lovely golden lab (I think --I don't think it's a retriever, but Idon't know dogs, and I can't remember for sure what she said when I asked) and Elizabeth has a black lab. After reading First Lady of the Seeing Eye, I've more aware of guide dogs and their behavior, and these, as of course would be expected, were wonderful living examples. The only blind person I've known personally in my life was the father of a friend back in the early fifties, and he used neither dog nor cane -- just his wife. He was a very successful attorney and husband and father of two) who had become blind in adolescence (I don't know the condition). I admired him then for his accomplishments. I wish all the technology available now had been available then. It's much like the computer for us sighted people. My husband and I wish we had had word processors when we were in college instead of only typewriters. We didn't even have liquid paper or those corrective strips that you could use to type over errors. If we made typing errors we had to retype the whole page. Cindy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/