[bksvol-discuss] Re: O T JAWS 10
- From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:10:34 -0700
Roger:
U can have both jaws 9 & 10 on your system. Set 9 to start up
automatically, set jaws 10 not to. Make a hotkey for jaws 10 like alt
control 0 so u can shut down jaws 9 & start jaws 10 when u want to &
learn it.
Look at the training book (help menu > training) that comes w/jaws 10
& practice what you're taught. Also, check your verbosity settings &
make certain it's set to beginner.
On 11/18/08, Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Perhaps I did not givve it enough of a chance to learn how to deal
> with some features. I did not know, for example, that the extremely
> annoying auto-forms feature could be turned off. As for Firefox or
> iTunes, I have never used or tried out either. There are a lot of
> things I have never tried because I launched into using a computer
> with absolutely no training or knowledge of the contraptions and had
> to teach myself everything. That means that I have spent an enormous
> amount of time teaching myself with absolutely no help and experienced
> a lot of frustration, exhaustion, and burnout. After reaching a
> certain level of proficiency the idea of starting to learn something
> else from scratch tends to fill me with the dread of further self
> torture. The auto-forms feature is not the only problem though. Most
> of the buttons do not work for me with JAWS 10. The first time I tried
> to send an email after installing it I tried to click the send button
> and nothing happened. I got sighted help to click it with the mouse
> and it worked. Other buttons seemed not to work either. Commands like
> using the F key for forms or other single letter keys worked only
> sporadically. At least the X key for check boxes worked fine. Copying
> and pasting did not seem to be working well for me. I tried to copy an
> ISBN on Amazon and paste it into the search field at PaperbackSwap.com
> and it would not paste. I finally got it there by memorizing it and
> just typing it in. As an experiment I tried to copy an entire web page
> and paste it into Word Pad. In JAWS 9 when I pres control A I am told
> how many characters I have just highlighted. With JAWS 10 there was
> only silence and I was not sure I had highlighted anything. There was
> also silence when I pressed control C and then when I pressed control
> V. My sighted help did tell me that I had successfully copied and
> pasted the page, but then it would not read the copied text to me.
> There may be simple fixes and settings that will solve all these
> problems, but the changes are too extreme. It is just throwing too
> much at me at once and I prefer the way I have been doing things. If
> JAWS 10 is an improvement I want to take advantage of the
> improvements, but I would like to do so a little at a time. Along with
> the JAWS 10 I also got a notification that payment for the current SMA
> is due by the end of the year and that JAWS 11 is expected in the
> latter part of 2009. If JAWS 11 is just going to add more
> complications to JAWS 10 then I am not sure I want to spend the money.
> On the other hand, though, I also do not want to be left behind using
> obsolete tools.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Monica Willyard <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi, Roger. I'd say most experienced Jaws users are having to adapt to the
>> new auto-forms mode. It can be turned off permanently or on a site by site
>> basis. I kept it on for a full week before deciding I'd given myself long
>> enough to decide what I think about it. I turned it off for several sites
>> but left it on for a few too. That feature, according to the FS site and
>> documentation, was designed to help sighted trainers and new Jaws users.
>>
>> For advanced users, there are some new features that allow a greater level
>> of customization. I like them a lot but doubt that most people will use
>> them.
>>
>> From a consumer's point of view, I see two primary advantages and one
>> secondary advantage in Jaws 10. One primary advantage is the support for
>> iTunes. The other is the enhanced and expanded support for Firefox 3.
>> That's
>> important because Firefox 3 can use a service called Web Visum, and that
>> lets blind people get around captcha images on various sites that have
>> excluded us for years. This isn't part of Jaws, but you need Jaws 10
>> access
>> to use Firefox 3 comfortably. IE users can't use this service.
>>
>> The secondary advantage I see may be a bigger deal for those who aren't
>> computer geeks. It's called Tandem, and it's a secure method that would
>> allow tech support or a trusted trainer or friend to help you fix computer
>> problems through Jaws. You would hear what the person is doing, and they
>> would hear your speech so they could help you if Jaws isn't working right.
>> It's secure because the person helping you gets a onetime-only key to
>> enter
>> your computer to help you. Once he disconnects, that key won't work
>> anymore.
>> So he can't come back and get things like your credit card info while
>> you're
>> asleep. (smile) The reason this is a secondary advantage to me is that I
>> would be one of the people fixing computer problems, not the one getting
>> help. So I don't actually need the service. It will be sold on a
>> subscription plan so you can get help when you need it day or night. Since
>> it costs for trainers to register, I doubt I'll bother using it unless
>> someone convinces me they really, really need help.
>>
>> If you don't want or need any of these features, upgrading probably won't
>> make sense for you. I do have to say that I like the small but definite
>> improvements in Word and Outlook. They make accessing information faster
>> and
>> easier. I'm not sure how much I'd pay for them though. I'd have to think
>> about that.
>>
>> Monica Willyard
>> "The best way to predict the future is to create it." -- Peter Drucker
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