Hi Cindy, Any text formatted at less than 12 point will be converted to 12-point, the point size of the body text. Really, there's just not much you can do once you run out of heading levels below 14 points. I suppose you could bold and/or italicize them and leave the text at 12 points. Visually it might be helpful-it just won't do anything for DAISY navigation. Sorry-I think you're probably stuck with that. Deborah From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Rosenthal Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:39 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Navigation and headings On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Cindy Rosenthal <grandcyn77@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hmmm o.k. Thanks, Marti P.S. I suppose I can make the new sub headings headings 11point; quoted portions that are not in quotations marks are 10 point. Would that be helpful? Cindy On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Martha Rafter <mlhr@xxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Cindy, I think the text of the book is the only thing that should be 12 point. I think that your sections within sections will just have to fend for themselves as far as DAISY navigation goes. HTH! Marty From: Cindy Rosenthal <mailto:grandcyn77@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:49 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Navigation and headings Can I make the subheadings of sections within other sections that have been indicated as sections with 14 point 12 point bold ital? I'm not sure this sentence is clear. I know there has to be 2 points between different fonts. This book has not only sections within chapters, which I've indicated by making those section headings 14 point Bold; but also sections within those sections, which I've made 14 bold ital ( but more sections within those sections. I'm thinking I can make these headings 12point bold ital. don't know navigation works. Can one do a search for a particular font and size (I don't think I know how to do that without doing a search for a word in that font and/or size ( Susan, I miss your editing skills, i.e., for making my posts comprehensible smile Cindy