Thanks, Julie. Have no fear. I have two copies of the book I fixed up, so there's not much chance of my losing it. I'm sorry to hear that you quit validating. But if you submit, you could still validate your own books, since you know what they look like. But if it's hassle enough that you quit, then validating your own submissions might not be any less of one, come to think of it. Take care. ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Morales To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again It sounds like the book was kicked back, as you discovered. Gustavo does that sometimes if the copyright isn't clear or he just wants to make sure what's in the field does match what's in the book. What happens, though, is when a book is kicked back, the file the validator gets is the original file. That's why all the errors in your last file were in the file you downloaded again. The validated file is not passed on to the downloads page if the book is kicked back. That's why it can be a good idea to keep an eye on the downloads page to see if a book you validated gets kicked back, and also not a bad idea to keep the file you fixed so you don't have to do all that work all over again. I can definitely appreciate and understand your frustration, though, and really, that's part of the reason why I submit rather than validate now, although I did start out my volunteering with Bookshare as a validator. Take care. Julie Morales Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:13 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again Yes, I'm adding to my own message. I found the information I thought I was looking for about making sure that a book was uploaded, but it applies to book submissions, not validations. To prevent duplicate submissions, go to the Step One download page and see if it is there. But after validation, where can I go to make sure the book I uploaded has been successfully uploaded? The books awaiting administrator approval list is compiled by Gustavo, not updated in real time as the Step One download page appears to be. This really bugs me, because the book as I downloaded it didn't have the title at the top, and the copyright information was several pages down after the publisher's puff material and dust jacket blurb. The comments by some other people after I validated the book mentioned that the title and copyright information needed to be verified. (I guess Gustavo or someone in charge looked at it and sent it back to the Step One page because of this.) The problem is, that if the title had been there, and the copyright information had been easier to find, then the book the submitter sent up - with many more errors than the one I sent up - would have been approved. It would have looked like I had validated a copy of the book which I didn't validate - a porrer-quality one. I read through the entire book, and I want to make sure that other people get the book I corrected. I do not want to validate books I didn't actually check - which would have been the case if the book had had the title at the beginning and the copyright information easier to find. I will not validate any more books until I have a way of assuring that the book I have actually checked is the one that is actually the one other readers will get. As it is, I appear to have validated a book with flaws which I had corrected in the book I attempted to upload. I changed the quality to 'excellent' from 'good' or 'fair', I added the ISBN number, which was in the book submitted but not in the form the submitter filled out. I added a long synopsis from the dust jacket, which wasn't in the form the submitter filled out. Also, I corrected a typo in the brief synopsis. All this information was there on the Step One download page this morning, as well as my name on a book of lesser quality than the one I tried to upload on Sunday. Needless to say, I am ticked. I wonder how many others have unknowingly put there names on a book that isn't really the one they fixed up. I can't be the first one this has happened to. If the book is approved, why would they check on a book they may have already read? They may - as I did - read the entire book, fixing every error they find, only for readers to get the likely lesser-quality copy of the book the submitter sent up with the validator's blessing. All that work for nothing. Not that it's exactly onerous for a book lover to want to fix everything and help readers to get the best book he or she can provide, but it does take time, and all that time will have been wasted. It wouldn't be so bad if the site had told me that the book hadn't uploaded for some reason, but it analyzed the scanning quality, then told me that it was approved. The scanning quality of the original would not have been as high, I am sure of that. There were many good pages, but some pages had words cut off, and others had junk characters. Also, before anyone asks, I checked the path and filename before trying to upload. I even opened the file to make sure it was the one I wanted to send. ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] I just uploaded The Book Again Ok, I just uploaded the book I edited again - not the one on the Step One download page. How do I make sure it got up there this time. I seem to recall something somewhere on the site about checking to make sure the book was uploaded, but I don't remember where. This is rather irritating. It told me that the book was approved and pending administrator approval, it would be published, but that's what it said the last time. By the way, I was wrong about the accuracy rating: It wasn't 99.6 percent, but 99.96 percent. My mnemory failed me. <smile> Now if only that version gets published ....