[bksvol-discuss] Re: Funky change in Roger's emails
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 07:44:26 -0600
Roger and oteers,
Consider changing to plain text messages. That is the most reliable and
most appropriate for mailing lists. Some of your messages have actually
been trapped by my spam filter, and it's set on low.
John
On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 07:38:57PM -0500, Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote:
> AOL 8.0. And by the way, the time period Judy mentioned for this change in
> my emails about coincided with the last time I changed the quote in my
> signature, so I just now fiddled around with that again. Did that help?
>
> "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion
> in it." [ in a letter to Thomas Jefferson] John Adams
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> What client are you using? Perhaps my buddy who helped me can help
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> Skype: jazzytrumpet----- Original Message ----- From:
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> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:09 PMSubject: [bksvol-discuss] Re:
> Funky change in Roger's emailsI was unaware of that. Does anyone know how
> I can fix
> it?"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no
> religion in it." [ in a letter to Thomas Jefferson] John Adams********
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> from the Internet (Details)table endHey Roger,You've got some funky html
> coding that's been going on for two or three days in your emails coming to
> the
> list. It makes the background blackand the font black, except for your
> .sig file. So for what it's worth, they're unreadable by a sighted person
> like myself.
> The only way I can read themis to look at them is by resetting your
> messages into "text" messages.I'm using Thunderbird to read email, and I
> don't know
> if any of the other sightedvolunteers are experiencing this with your
> emailsJudy s.Rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx wrote:> That may be the case for you,
> but for
> us who do not have access tonor the > skill to use an optacon it does not
> apply.> > > "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were
> no
> religion > in it." [ in a letterto Thomas Jefferson] John Adams** **** >
> >** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com
> Pathfinder Press: > http://www.pathfinderpress.com>
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> Re: For Gwen
> andRobert** > Date:> 12/5/2009 2:47:53 AM Eastern Standard Time > From:>
> the.bee@xxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-to:> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To:>
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent from the Internet > (Details)> table end> > Hi Roger!I have been
> thinking about this subject.In a way, I think that > scanning is easier,
> because,when
> I am doing step one of proofreading, I have > the> hard copy in front of
> me that I can check with the optacon when there is a > scano I am
> unsureof.** When
> I am proofreading others submissions, I don't > have> the hard copy, so I
> can only figure out scanos that are obvious or some > from context,feeling
> a
> bit unsure at times.DebbyAt 10:55 PM 11/30/2009, > rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
> wrote>As a matter of fact, I think proofreading is easier than scanning.>
> Unless
> >you are submitting a raw scan it is proofreading with extra work. >>
> Nevertheless> Kim, I would urge you to take the plunge and try some
> >scanningtoo.
> The > more you learn about scannning the more you learn about >using a
> computer in > general.>>>> "I have no country to fight for; my country is
> theearth,
> and I am a >> citizen of the world." Eugene V. Debs>>** ** ** ** ** ** **
> The Militant: > <> http://wwww.themilitant.com>http://www.themilitant.com>
> PathfinderPress:
> > <http://www.pathfinderpress.com>> http://www.pathfinderpress.com>Granma
> International: ><http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html>>
> http://www.granma.cu/ingles/index.html>>**
> ** ** ** ** **** _>>table with 2 columns and 6 rows>Subj:>[bksvol-discuss]
> Re: > For Gwen and Robert>Date:>11/30/2009 10:37:56 PM Eastern Standard
>
> Time>From:>>kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>Reply-to:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:>>
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent> from the Internet>(Details)>table
> end>>My goodnessGwen, you have nothing > to fear when it comes to
> proofreading >should
> you decide to do it. One thing> I can tell you is that there are >many
> ways>to doit. I have a BrailleNote > mPower and I use it as a Braille
> display >while
> I read a book from the > beginning> to the end. I listen to my screen
> reader>readthe text while I follow along > with my fingers using the
> BrailleNote.
> >I'd call it kind of like a feedback> or redundancy thing. Have you seen
> those>floursifters with double or > triple screens in them? Think of what
> I do
> as >if I were sifting flour because > what> the ears hear the fingers
> check. I have>tomake sure that everything is all > present and accounted
> for, title,
> >author bylines, copyright dates, ISbn > numbers,>publishers,> etc. After
> the prefatorymaterial I read every word of the >book. Now I'm > taking in
> the
> story (if I'm reading fiction), I'm checking >to see if>there > are> any
> errors in thescan you might have missed. If I find any, I >use the >
> delete key
> so I only get rid of stuff that is extraneous to the text.>I'd write> you
> and let youknow what I'm doing. If I come across a bit of >something > in
> the
> text I'm not sure about, I'd email you and ask you about it,>pasting >
> the> bit of textI'm having trouble with in the email to you. You'd >send
> me the
> > copy of what the text should be, and I make sure it's in the file>I'm >
> working> with.One thing I heard right from the start was to have a >copy
> of the
> > file that isn't touched in case I mess up the one I'm working with.>I'm
> still > in>the beginning stages of this thing. I don't do anything >fancy.
> Eventually
> > I expect to learn the art of this. What I want to know >is if the>text
> makes>sense. I don't heed the word processing program should it have
> >grammar
> > suggestions for me. If I come across a weird spelling of a word or
> >name,>I'd> want> to know how many times it's in the text. I'd probably
> write you
> >to verify > that the word and the way it's spelled is supposed to be in
> the text.>My> philosophy> is to do just enough and err on the side of
> caution.
> Some >people may not > use Braille at all when proofreading while others
> do. I'm still>learningthe> ropes, but so far what I've done is in the
> Bookshare
> >collection so I must > be doing something right or at least I hope this
> is >so. Nobody will>twist> your> arm and you can proofread anything that
> interests
> you. So far >everything > has interested me. The very first thing I did
> was a children's book,>butthe> others I've done are fiction books for
> grownups.
> Regards, Kim.>>
>
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> >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of gwen tweedy>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:56
> PM>To:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: For Gwen
> and > Robert>>I
> too assumed that those books would go very fast simply from** thingsI>>
> have read here from time to time.>I think they are getting lost in the >
> admin cue
> now that would be up to him >to correct me if I am wrong.>And yesfor> me,
> if I were a proof reader, except for some of the books >he's helped me >
> with,
> I wouldn't read them either I just can't read those >kinds of>books.>>As>
> for my books, I've learned a lot, I feel that even as much as recently >I
> > have
> gotten better, but as for myself, I am keenly aware that my booksmight>>
> be> as fast on the uptake because of my past reputation as a new
> scanner.>So I
> > understand that, and can now deal with that.>If I find that Iam not
> making> it I promise you, I'll be the first to >leave volunteering
> altogether, >
> because I** do not need nor want to be in >the way of>good readingmaterial
> here> bookshare is so famous for.>I promise you, I would not want anyone
> putting
> > up junk from me that would >not be fair to y'all.>Some thingsyou can
> learn,> some things a person can't and if I fail to get >it, then I'm out
> of here
> > lock stock and barrel.>Most here scan and proof excellently,and I would
> no > more > tarnish >that** reputation for this whole world.>It was my
> hope when
> I > first** put my name up to be a** volunteer to put up >moreof the
> Christian type of> books, if not Christian wholesome >books** those
> my>grandma would
> care to > read.>But that wholly has not happened,** from a numberof
> factors of my own >> making> the buck stops here as it were.>If I fail to
> meet this
> my personal goal, > that at that time, which could be >today, tomorrow,or
> perhaps never then I > would> bow out and leave it to those>who know
> best.>I
> wish I could proof books, > but I've bungled scans lord knows what I'ddo
> >to a proof.>Plus there are so > many> rules to proofing my lands I
> couldn't keep
> up with >them all, that is to > hard for me simple** mind LOL.>I
> mostlikely should have just stuck to reading> > it would have been a lot
> >less trouble
> for us all.>You have a wonderful > day,>Gwen>>block quote>-----
> OriginalMessage ----->From:>Monica Willyard>To:>>
> bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:> Monday,
> November 30, 2009 3:26 PM>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] For Gwen and>
> Robert>Gwen, you're right. Robert is an experienced and valuable member of
> our>> community.
> Robert, how many books do you have that are waiting to be>> approved?
> Are>they on step 1 or in the admin queue?>>Gwen, there are several >
> factors> in
> play regarding Robert's books. I don't >know if you're awareof all of >
> these, so I thought I'd share them. Some of them>can probably be addressed
> by>
> people on this list. Others can't.>>On the staff side, Carriewas on >
> vacation for a week before Thanksgiving. >Also, most of the staff had some
> time >
> off> last week for the holiday. I >have found>that she generallyapproves
> books > from volunteers within 24 to 48 hours of >their entry into the
> admin queue.>
> Carrie used to be a volunteer just like us,>and she remembersthe >
> frustration of waiting and waiting for a book to be >approved. She has
> worked with >
> Robert> as a fellow volunteer as well and knows>of his skillsand flexible
> > attitude.>> From here, it looks like the bottleneck right now is in
> getting
> books >> proofread. The number of books on step 1 is pilingup again. Our
> number > > of active>volunteers and their preferences for reading
> determine how
> fast a > book> is >processed. This factor affects everyonewho submits
> books. For awhile > everyone>was worried about not having any books to
> work on. Some
> people quit>> looking for new books on step 1 becauseof all of the books
> with holds on >> them. Now>there are a lot of excellent books needing a
> proofreader.>>The
> > other> factor, on a more personal level,is hard for me to explain.
> >Robert is a > consistent and dedicated volunteer. I respect him for his
> >dedication>and
> > teamwork.> Yet I am hesitant to takehis books for a personal reason. >In
> the past, > Robert has been willing to scan some adult-rated content for
> >Bookshare.>It's>
> my perception that muchof what he scans would be classified as >steamy >
> romances. I prefer not to read the steamier books. This isn't about
> >Robert>or>
> his skills as a submitter.It's about me and what I want to read. I >>
> generally don't like to draw attention to this issue since I think it's a
> >> personal>
> one>on my part. SinceI feel uncomfortable asking Robert which books are >>
> adult, I let others take his books when he submits. I figured it would
> >make>
> him angry>if I askedabout it. If I am wrong about what Robert submits, I >
> apologize >and take full responsibility for not checking out my
> assumptions
> > with> him.>>I thinkwhat I'm saying is that we might do a better job of >
> communicating >with each other. I know I need to do that. I didn't know
> that
> Robert's>> books weren't>gettingadded to the collection. I also assumed
> that most > people are more >comfortable with adult content than I am and
> that
> those would> be done quickly.>Icould be wrong on both counts.>>The last
> thing I want is > for you or Robert to feel ignored or >unappreciated. I
> don't
> have an > immediate> solution.I think we could find >ways to work this>out
> together, with the > help of the Bookshare community. It would help us
> >fix
> the problem if we know> exactlywhat's going on, if the books are on step
> 1,>or are they getting > lost in the admin queue.>>Monica Willyard>"The
> best way
> to predict the future> is tocreate it." -- Peter Drucker>>>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------->At
> 10:32 AM
> 11/30/2009, you wrote:>> block>quote>I think a timely manner is the
> key.>And those who have scanned for > years and their books are good, and
> >everyone
> knows they are good, to me there>shouldn't be a delay.>Some books get up
> there right away, so what is the > difference** in books?>** Especially
> those of
> like** Robert's when his books have>been tried and > true for a long
> time.>** Eventually** volunteers** are gonna > quit submitting books,
> because they > aren't
> getting anywhere. Some books> stay> up there for a long time.>It's grand
> for**** kids books grand for grants, but > I think they are >forgetting
> the** submitters**
> especially those hardworking> ones like Bob >who turns in>a quality scan
> each and every time not like his > wife who turns no quality >scans LOL.>I
> understand
> me, but Bob thatis > different.>His> should go right away.>Gwen>>-----
> Original Message ----->From:>robert >
> tweedy>To:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
> Monday, November30, 2009 11:58 AM>> Subject:> [bksvol-discuss] Re: What is
> the main concern these days?>>That's fine as > long as our books get into
> the
> system on a timeymatter.>----- Original > Message> ----->From:>Denise
> Thompson>To:>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Tuesday, > December 01,
> 2009 2:50
> PM>Subject: [bksvol-discuss]Re: What is the main > concern> these days?>>I
> think BKS's concern is to do books that fit their grant > money.
> >educational
> which seems to be most booksfor kids and teens in addition> to >text
> books,>of course. Adult books don't seem to be educational- > especially
> those that
> >have some romance in them.Since they have out-sourcers and> do their
> grant >books>with them as well as in house, I feel like I need to >
> continue to scan
> >adult books for the restof us who aren't students and who> don't want to
> >read kids>books and teen books.>Denise>>**** At 09:32 AM > 11/30/2009,
> you wrote:>block
> quote>I've noticeda strong emphasis on children's > books> as well. This
> is >wonderful, so long as it isn't at the expense of books > for us
> adults, too.>>Melissa>>roberttweedy
> wrote:>block quote>I am just > wondering> about bookshare policy of
> submitted books. Taking a >look at the cue, it > looks like children's
> bookswhich is
> okay but what >about books>that are just> for pleasure.>block quote end>To
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