Thad has a 5X Powermate so super-high powers could be had out there, maybe even see striations, did anybody see striations? Next thing to squint for after you've conquered the central star. Fortunately my short f.l. eyepieces are both Naglers with large 82 degree FOVs. For my 14.5" EQ, the 9mm would give 994X and the 4.8 would give 1864X, for 70X/inch and 125X/inch. More power than that I don't really believe in, and if used I don't even think I could tell where or what I was looking at anyway. Maybe a permanently mounted 6-inch Astro-Physics on a Paramount could keep itself pointed in the right direction. You are so right on the importance of surface brightness, it's one of the main governing factors. Many planetaries have high surface brightnesses and thus are good places to look for beautiful detail, with or without filtering. We were marveling over the Bug Nebula in Scorpius at Vekol last Friday night which was my first sojourn into deliberate high-power. A planetary that looks like a galaxy! I was using Brian's map, which I got off the HAC site, and the 15.3 and 15.6 stars above and on the side were staying visible. He said in his article there was a certain star that if it were not visible then you might as well not try for the central star. I lost that part of the article or maybe the expanded version published in the magazine had it. Anyone remember which issue? Well, your rain-pouring wish came true, now let's see if the clearing-up part does. Jack Jones Saguaro Astronomy Club Lunar List Awards and Messier Marathon Co-coordinator Phoenix AZ spicastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Jack et al, For deep sky, I certainly agree, however an object's surface brightness plays a substantial role in effective high power uses. I find planetaries to be the most rewarding under high power. NGC 2440 is an example which transparency against good seeing. And speaking of M57, Brian Skiff has a great magnitude chart to guide such an experiment. My hypothesis is seeing out-weighs transparency, so far the faintest I've gone with the 10" using Skiff's chart is 16.1 at the All AZ SP last year. I also think there was a Let's hope the rain pours, but clears for the weekend. -FRANK -- This message is from the AZ-Observing mailing list. See this message's header if you want info about unsubscribing or the list's archive. This is a discussion list. Please send personal inquiries directly to the message author. In other words, do not use "reply" for personal messages. Thanks.