A shrewd observation Christine (B-K). You are absolutely spot on here. It's a way that government (at all levels) and quasi-autonomous non-governmental organizations (quangos) have been doing business for quite some time, getting below the industrial relations radar by selling medium to long term contracts (defined duration temporary positions) at half the rate or less that they should be paying a contractor. This with none of the benefits afforded to a staff member (holiday pay, sick leave, pay reviews) all of the restrictions placed on a contractor, packaged in a blatant lie of implying permanency. It's called false advertising, folks, and almost certainly could (and should) be challenged under the trade practices act. If you are a member of a union that is represented in the advertiser's (work provider client's not the agency's) workplace, bring it to their attention, as it also undermines the job security of their real "permanent" staff. Just because there's no such thing as true permanency any more (I'm what I call "on staff" at the moment, I never use the "P" word) doesn't mean that recruiters may flaunt the meaning of the word on which it is based. Sincerely, Michael Michael E. Granat T/as Write Ideas E-mail: mailto:writeideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: <http://home.pacific.net.au/~megranat/> Without Prejudice. E&OE. -----Original Message----- From: Birtley-Kent, Christine [mailto:birtleykentc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 20 August 2004 09:06 To: 'austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: atw: Re: how long is permanent? + online help + being a writer Don't you get it Terry? That's just then next trick designed to underpay= us. You get an annual salary rather than contract rates. Government departments are the worst offenders. Christine ###################################################################### Attention:=20 The information in this electronic mail is privileged and confidential, intended only for use of the individual or entity named. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, copying or use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it immediately from your system and inform us via e-mail : ops@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx This e-mail has been scanned and cleared by MailMarshal=20 ###################################################################### ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************