Hi Greame. I am talking only about RGB printers here (my limited experience). I am using Epson and I did some prints with Canons too. I think that you can find something that may be interesting in this post: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=53408.0 I suggest you to read this post: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=53408.msg436947#msg436947 It would be nice to have your opinion on this. I can give you my 2 cents. 1) Some have reported the “blue shift issue”, that you have already commented and fixed in the 1.3.3 beta. 2) Usually people know as “experts” (I am just a beginner) report that it is very useful to have some low-saturation patches. I don’t know how the actual Argyll targen works; but I saw that it is often suggested to add some patches to have a better profile, using procedures similar to the one described in the message I have linked. 3) I am not seeing noticeable improvements with my test prints using more than 2500 patches. I found that 2000/2500 is a good number. I am using targen with –G and –g256; I have seen that more patches around the grey axis give me better results in BW printing (less colour casts). I did not try –s and –p parameters, many suggest to use –s. 4) I think that the possibility of making a pre-conditioning profile is very interesting. I don’t know how this actually works, but talking with other people I found that some could get good results with less patches (1000/1500) using a 800 patch pre-profile or a profile provided from the paper/ink manufacturer. Hope this can be useful. Vittorio Villani > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 13:11:45 +1000 > From: graeme@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [argyllcms] Number of patches vs. profile quality > > > I am interested in hearing about peoples experience with profile > quality vs. number of test patches using Argyll. In particular, I'd > like to get an impression of what aspect of a profiles quality are seen > as improving as more patches are used. If this aspect is color accuracy, > is there a particular area of the color gamut that is seen as the > critical area ? If so, what area is it ? > > [I'm wondering if the profiling efficiency can be improved by some simple > changes to the patch distribution.] > > thanks, > > Graeme Gill. >